sjlawton

Q: What has been lost in Numbers 3.0 upgrade?

Has anyone got a list of features that has been lost in the new version of Numbers?

 

I am aware (and disappointed) that the useful Categories feature has gone (I have requested this feature back on relevant Apple page). I think I also saw that Print view had disappeared.

 

What else has gone? I make extensive use of filtering and sorting - if those features have been watered down then I think I may not bother updataing.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Simon.

MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2010), OS X Mavericks (10.9)

Posted on Oct 23, 2013 7:36 AM

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  • by Kimbok65,

    Kimbok65 Kimbok65 Nov 4, 2013 9:32 PM in response to sjlawton
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    Nov 4, 2013 9:32 PM in response to sjlawton

    I just want to change the margins to .25" - has anyone figured out how to do this simple task?

  • by osihara,

    osihara osihara Nov 4, 2013 9:41 PM in response to osihara
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    Nov 4, 2013 9:41 PM in response to osihara

    I should add that the colurs pallet is completly rediculous too. I have worked out you can change the colours so long as the colour already exists as a cell background or font colour in a table. Just select the cell and then bring up the colour pallet and then drag from existing colour down to one of the xisting colours to replace it. Although this doesn't translate across from one table to another so you have to open your table up in another program to put the colour samples in.

     

    Also I feel like I'm doing more clicks while using this app compared to the previous version. For me this has to be one of the biggest f-ups I've experienced. There have been some doozies but this one really takes the cake for me. Not counting bugs of course since they are not normally intensional.

  • by osihara,

    osihara osihara Nov 4, 2013 9:44 PM in response to Kimbok65
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    Nov 4, 2013 9:44 PM in response to Kimbok65

    I asume your not refering to the positiopn of the table on the sheet? But rather the print layout? Havn't seen it myself.

  • by Kimbok65,

    Kimbok65 Kimbok65 Nov 4, 2013 10:45 PM in response to osihara
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    Nov 4, 2013 10:45 PM in response to osihara

    Yes, the print margins.

  • by osihara,

    osihara osihara Nov 4, 2013 11:21 PM in response to osihara
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    Nov 4, 2013 11:21 PM in response to osihara

    Hmm I just realised I can sort by right clicking on a cell heading and the contextual menu gives an asending or decending sort option. Not exactly as flexable as the old system.

  • by alexey-s,

    alexey-s alexey-s Nov 6, 2013 12:50 AM in response to sjlawton
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    Nov 6, 2013 12:50 AM in response to sjlawton

    I just have thrown new Pages and Numbers into the Thrash and returned to the previous version. Couldn't cope with "page view" missing - that was the feature that beats Excel, one of the main reasons I switched to Numbers in the first place.

  • by facile,

    facile facile Nov 6, 2013 8:01 AM in response to sjlawton
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    Nov 6, 2013 8:01 AM in response to sjlawton

    I managed to get a custom cell format when I opened a table that I made in Numbers '09, copied a cell with custom formats and pasted it into the new table (created in Numbers 3.0 (upgraded with Mavericks)).  In the new table's Data Format drop down menu  there are new menu items added to the list of formats called "Custom Format 4," "Custom Format 1" etc (the same names the custom formats were called in Number '09).  If I create a new Numbers 3.0 file, the pasted custom formats are not available for the new file's tables.  I have not yet found a way to edit the pasted custom formats in Numbers 3.0 nor figured out how to create new custom formats from within the app/program.

  • by Yellowbox,

    Yellowbox Yellowbox Nov 6, 2013 8:13 AM in response to facile
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    Nov 6, 2013 8:13 AM in response to facile

    HI facile,

     

    Create a Custom Format in a Numbers 2 document. Save. Then Save As… a copy with a new name so Numbers 3 can't snaffle your original Numbers 2 document. Open the copy in Numbers 3 and the Custom formats will be listed in Format Inspector > Cell Data Format. The Custom Formats are carried over and they work.

     

    Workaround: by cullen15 in https://discussions.apple.com/message/23657853?ac_cid=tw123456#23657853

     

    Note: copy and paste of cells from Numbers 2 to Numbers 3 does not carry the custom format. Pasted cells end up as Text format.

     

    Regards,

    Ian.

  • by Derick Fay,

    Derick Fay Derick Fay Nov 6, 2013 9:53 AM in response to Yellowbox
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    Nov 6, 2013 9:53 AM in response to Yellowbox

    Apple has just posted a list of features to be restored in the next 6 months:

     

    Numbers

    • Customize toolbar
    • Improvements to zoom and window placement
    • Multi-column and range sort
    • Auto-complete text in cells
    • Page headers and footers
    • Improvements to AppleScript support

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

  • by Jerrold Green1,

    Jerrold Green1 Jerrold Green1 Nov 6, 2013 1:02 PM in response to sitryd
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    Nov 6, 2013 1:02 PM in response to sitryd

    sitryd wrote:

     

    One addition that I haven't seen mentioned (though, in fairness, I also haven't read all nine pages):

     

    Numbers 2.3 had a feature I *loved* that let you use formulas to define the range for a chart.  I used this on several charts in my biggest spreadsheet that were pulling data from the same table - one chart looked at a number of variables by month, another by season, and another by year.  You could set the X-axis values by something using an INDIRECT formula and reference rows corresponding to the first and last dates for that range.  It was awesome, and very useful.

     

    I dont know why they would have taken it away - it wasnt a feature that "confusing" to your average user, because unless you spontaneously decided to try programming the chart you wouldnt even see it was there.  But in it's absence, I've had to create three copies of the table referenced, which is quite frustrating.

    Sitryd,

     

    Could you post an example of this Numbers 2.3 feature. I've not heard of it, nor can I figure out how one would use it.

     

    Jerry

  • by Tammy in MO,

    Tammy in MO Tammy in MO Nov 6, 2013 1:08 PM in response to Derick Fay
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    Nov 6, 2013 1:08 PM in response to Derick Fay

    I threw out the "upgrade."  Most people that use spreadsheets use them for the tasks they can perform and to make life easier. Numbers 3 fails!  You can't even drag a contact into the spreadsheet. What business is going to want to now type in multiple contacts? Not me. I will stick with the Numbers that I have been using for our small business for years. Pages lost mail merge too. Mail Merge has been around since ClarisWorks! I sure hope that Apple isn't abandoning the business market. I'm not really interested in purchasing Microsoft versions for these pieces of software.

  • by Jerrold Green1,

    Jerrold Green1 Jerrold Green1 Nov 6, 2013 1:15 PM in response to papalapapp
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    Nov 6, 2013 1:15 PM in response to papalapapp

    papalapapp wrote:

     

    Adding missing feature: When expanding a filtered list, the tables underneath don't move down. Result: overlapping tables. If you have transparent tables, you get an instant mess.

    Thanks Pap, I've added that to my list.

     

    Jerry

  • by Jerrold Green1,

    Jerrold Green1 Jerrold Green1 Nov 6, 2013 1:21 PM in response to AppleJosie
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    Nov 6, 2013 1:21 PM in response to AppleJosie

    AppleJosie wrote:

     

    Also in another part of this thread it was mentioned that table fill is missing. If that was refering to the ability to apply a formula to other cells by dragging the lower right corner of the formula's cell, the feature is not gone. The UI behavior is slightly different. Now you drag the center bottom of the cell.

    Josie,

     

    I'll explain further...

     

    There were two levels of Background Fill in Numbers 2.3. Background fill is a color or image behind the text. In Numbers 2.3, you could not only place fill in a table cell, but you could fill the background of an entire table's Body (all cells not in Headers or Footers).

     

    Jerry

  • by Jerrold Green1,

    Jerrold Green1 Jerrold Green1 Nov 6, 2013 1:31 PM in response to josekimber
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    Nov 6, 2013 1:31 PM in response to josekimber

    josekimber wrote:

     

    Jerry

     

    Another item for your list.  It used to be possible (in Numbers 09, the only one I had) to select a range of cells and then select "SUM" from the list in the functions button.  That feature has disapeared - now if you click "SUM" it adds the whole column.  If you just want a total for a range, you have to insert a formula (=SUM) and then select your cells or type them in, much slower...

    Jose,

     

    This functionality was moved to a different location in the Numbers window. Across the bottom of the window is a bar filled with stats functions, and a gear wheel icon where you can select other stats. These will respond to a selection range and can be dragged to a table to calculate the stat on that range.

     

    Jerry

  • by Dirwrecktor,

    Dirwrecktor Dirwrecktor Nov 6, 2013 1:33 PM in response to Derick Fay
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    Nov 6, 2013 1:33 PM in response to Derick Fay

    Think something drastic needs to be done to CMD+F (find) as well. What an absolute disgrace that this poor level of design and usability was allowed to happen. I just found three entries of something I was looking for. The first one was positioned under that silly sheet tab line! The next two were not found at all on the 75% view, that is, after the find function has moved to the wrong place.

     

    Who authorised this complete mess of a version?

     

    Martin

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