Q: Outline View missing in Pages 5.0

Apple users are so polite.

After using Word for decades, a few years ago I decided to make the move and join the wondeful world of Apple word prcessing. I got over the niggles of learning new software and was happy to have made the move.

I had lots of lovely, well organised pages files - you've guessed it - my main use for pages is to use Outline.

So, enthused by the latest Apple presentation, off I trot to the store to spend another few thousand dollars (on top of the 10s of thousands I've spent on Apple products in the past). All very happy - not a problem, great products, systems and software.

I wish someone had taken a photo of my face when I opend my first Pages file on the new system. NO OUTLINE. All of my carefully tierred and organised files are a linea mush.

Sure there's bullets - but that's about 20% of a solution.

Being an Apple user I politely smiled to myself and thought -- I -- must have made a mistake - it must be there somewhere. According to the discussion it isn't.

I've been using Apple since Adam was a lad - this is the first time I've made a contribution to an Apple post. ie the first time I have been REALLY steaming under the collar.

APPLE - SORT THIS OUT - you have some very annoyed customers out here. Outline is a basic function of any decent word processor and has been availble from 'pre-historic' times...

...So, smiling sweetly to myself again. I shall now spend my Sunday morning fiddling with my Apple system to see if I can reinstate my old version of pages - and hope it runs on Mavericks and the new Mac. "Ho Hum, it's an Apple life for me, fun fun fun fun fun fun..."

Thanks to an earlier poster for this link which is a more direct route to send the request to Apple, and I'd encourage everyone here to do the same
http://www.apple.com/feedback/pages.html

Your previous version of Pages should still be in a subfolder of your Applications folder and I can confirm that 4.3 works fine on Mavericks.

There is no Outline in Pages v5 (which is a disaster as far as I'm concerned!) so I'm trying to go back to v4 which I want to run on my new Mac.

Beside the v5 (which came with the new Mac but doesn't have Outline) the only other copy I have is v4.1- this copy is on the older Mac - fortunately it works fine on the older Mac which is running Maverick.

So I tried copying v4.1 from the older Mac to the new Mac - but it won't open on the new Mac.

You need all the system files with it:

http://www.freeforum101.com/iworktipsntrick/viewtopic.php?t=105&mforum=iworktips ntrick

And also ensure you update to Pages '09 v4.3:

http://www.freeforum101.com/iworktipsntrick/viewtopic.php?t=432&mforum=iworktips ntrick

Peter

Missing outline is a big problem for me. And I want to stay within the Apple universe. Wasting valuable time is what I have my PC for.

I begin my documents on iCloud by dictating into my iPhone, and/or cutting and pasting research I find with my iPad. When I start to organize the document on my Air, outline mode is the perfect tool to sort out stuff.

Also missing is "import style format" which I use when I begin the process of sorting the content on the Air, by pulling the styles formats from a complex Page template I created. Gone, are two important Page functions.

...and beware that if you downgrade to 4, you are locked out of iCloud functionality. Only Pages 5 works with the new iCloud and iPad apps, I was told by Apple on the phone.

You can run both versions. I believe when you install 5, 4 is still in your Applications folder within an iWork folder. I have both versions and use them both. When you open a document in 5, it wants to 'upgrade' the document, but then you get the iCloud functionality.

@shieladixon

Yup... you're right. I still have 4.3. Thanks!

I just created a doc on my iPad and it will not open in Pages 4.3. So, having two version is a workaround I can live with. Hopefully the folks at Apple will do the right thing and add the functionality we lost.

Note that if you had the pevious version of Pages for iOS (1.7.2), the relevant ipa file will still be in UserName/Music/iTunes/Mobile Applications and you should be able to restore it. Try trashing Pages 2.1 on your iPad and then connect to iTunes.Version 1.7.2 may well show up. If it doesn't you can always redownload version 2.1.

It is close.

"It is not true outlining which allows you to promote"

Yes, you can promote - use a SHIFT TAB

, demote,

Yes, you can demote - use a TAB

fold down

Not sure what you mean here.  I haven't found a way to hide lower levels.

and move sections of your text by dragging and dropping.

Yes, you can move sections by dragging and dropping.  But drop placement is crucial to avoid accidental demotion/promotion.

We keep going round in circles.

That is not outlining Nicholas, that is simply Lists.

You do know the difference?

Peter

You are most welcome.

Yes, that is outlining.

What we still don't have is the nice Outline view Toolbar that Pages '09 had.

Once again, that is NOT outlining.

There is no folding up of tiered text.

There is no auto format according to tiered level.

Dragged and dropped text adopts the number of the level it is dragged to, but not the format, nor the Style.

It behaves just like Lists in Pages '09.

Like most things in Apple's Mavericks software suites, it is programmed for the Can't Tell It's Butter consumer.

Peter