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Nov 10, 2013 4:35 PM in response to TheBeardBoyby Jan Hedlund,★HelpfulPlease note that a PowerBook 165c needs at least System 7.1 and a special enabler.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA47341
I would suggest the use of a Network Access 7.5 Disk instead (no extra enabler required).
http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#util
However, the problem is still there.
Normally, another pre-1998 Macintosh computer with a built-in floppy drive would be used with Disk Copy 4.2 (the Make A Copy button) or Disk Copy 6.3.3 (the Make a Floppy command under the Utilities menu).
If a Mac with a USB port (and a USB floppy drive) is going to work with Disk Copy, an appropriate (early) operating system has to be installed.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25969
The following article indicates that Mac OS X can write disk images directly to floppies. I have not tested this procedure.
http://lowendmac.com/brierley/08pb/classic-mac-boot-floppy.html
If absolutely necessary, it is even possible to create sector-copied floppies from a certain Mac disk image type on a Windows PC (with a suitable version of Aladdin/StuffIt Expander and a disk image utility like WinImage).
Jan
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Nov 11, 2013 5:55 AM in response to Jan Hedlundby TheBeardBoy,Ok, I'll try this and get back to you.
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Nov 11, 2013 7:42 AM in response to Jan Hedlundby TheBeardBoy,Ok, I can't find the Network Access 7.5 Disk on the site( I'm a bit blind ). could you give me a direct link to the download please? I don't want to sound like I'm asking for too much.
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Nov 11, 2013 8:07 AM in response to TheBeardBoyby Jan Hedlund,★HelpfulHello,
Here it is:
If needed, here are the Disk Copy downloads:
Jan
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Nov 11, 2013 6:21 PM in response to Jan Hedlundby TheBeardBoy,Hi Jan, I've downloaded the file and copyed the disk tools.sea to my Imac g3. after doing that I loaded up disk copy to my suprise the computer mounted the image but my computer dosn't let me copy the image over to the floppy disk that I have. What should I do?
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Nov 12, 2013 8:14 AM in response to TheBeardBoyby Jan Hedlund,Hi again,
I do not know what kind of file said disk tools is, but generally speaking an uncompressed 1.44 MB disk image (such as the Disk Copy 4.2-style image in the Network Access Disk 7.5 download) is too large to be drag copied as it is to a 1.44 MB HD diskette. One would have to write the disk image to the diskette using either the Disk Copy 4.2 utility (Load Image -> Make A Copy) or Disk Copy 6.3.3 (the Utilities menu -> Make a Floppy). When doing so, the result will be an exact sector copy. When attempting to make floppies via Disk Copy 6.3.3 in a USB floppy drive, see the TA25969 article above.
It is normally possible to drag-copy files from a mounted image, but when creating a bootable disk it is recommended to use the sector copy method (Make A Copy or Make a Floppy).
Which operating system is used on the G3 iMac?
Jan
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Nov 12, 2013 9:04 AM in response to TheBeardBoyby Jan Hedlund,Unless you have done so already, you may want to test both Disk Copy 4.2 and 6.3.3 when running Mac OS 9.2
Jan
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Nov 12, 2013 9:48 AM in response to Jan Hedlundby TheBeardBoy,When ever I put the disk tools file in it says "The mount operation did not complete -8816" What do I do?
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Nov 12, 2013 12:19 PM in response to TheBeardBoyby Jan Hedlund,Was that on the G3 iMac, under Mac OS 9.2 or 10.4?
Is StuffIt Expander installed and active? If so, you could check whether the StuffIt Expander preferences are set to mount images (choose not to instead).
Anyway, download the Network Access Disk 7.5 file (preferably when the machine is running Mac OS 9.2). Use StuffIt Expander to decode the MacBinary (.bin). The self-expanding archive (.sea) will probably open automatically (otherwise, double-click on the .sea file). Locate a Network Access.image file inside the resulting Network Access folder.
Now, try Disk Copy 4.2 under Mac OS 9.2. Do not double-click on the image file. Instead, launch the Disk Copy (4.2) program. Choose to Load Image File, and select and open the Network Access.image. Then, click on the Make A Copy button. It may or may not be possible to create a floppy this way through a USB drive.
If Disk Copy 4.2 does not work, try Disk Copy 6.3.3 (Mount Image under the Image menu) with the Network Access.image file. The mounted image will be called Network Access. Insert a floppy in the USB drive before you choose Make a Floppy from the Utilities menu in Disk Copy 6.3.3.
If the above does not work, again mount the Network Access.image file using Disk Copy 6.3.3. Open the mounted image (Network Access). Inside is a System Folder. Open this System Folder and remove all files from the three folders Apple Menu Items, Control Panels and Extensions (throw them into the Wastebasket/Trash, do not forget to empty the Wastebasket/Trash). The size of the System Folder is now somewhat smaller. Try to drag-copy the System Folder onto an empty (freshly Mac-formatted) 1.44 MB floppy disk in the USB drive. This may or may not work.
Otherwise, you may want to test the Mac OS X dd procedure (the LowEndMac article).
Alternatively, you may want to use an old Windows PC with a built-in floppy drive (and Aladdin/StuffIt Expander and WinImage).
Jan
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Nov 12, 2013 12:26 PM in response to Jan Hedlundby TheBeardBoy,Update:
So I've just used stuff expander to get the network accses.image lets see if it works!
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Nov 12, 2013 12:55 PM in response to Jan Hedlundby TheBeardBoy,Ok, so I got the image on to the disk by copying each folder to the floppy disk and when I load it up on my PowerBook it says Illiegal instruction, and it also asks for me to turn extentions of witch I did but nothing happend. what should I do know? is there anything ellse i could do?
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Nov 12, 2013 1:10 PM in response to TheBeardBoyby Jan Hedlund,At least this seems to indicate that the PowerBook is booting (either from the floppy or from the internal hard drive), albeit only just. Are there any sounds from the hard drive?
In order to rule out a few things, have you tried to reset the PRAM?
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379
Jan
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Nov 12, 2013 1:41 PM in response to Jan Hedlundby TheBeardBoy,No. I didn't really think about that. Basicly I moved a file (Mac OS 7.5 update) in to the system folder for some reason and the computer started to bring up the error's when it booted up.For its age the hard drive is working very well with no bad sectors and also the outer casing of the powerbook is very clean with no scratches at all. and theres no cracks in the hinges or stand-offs. Okay so I'm going to reset the PRAM and see if that dose something.