Q: I've got a system 7.1 folder that contains a disk tools.image how can i put this on a floppy disk?

OK. Did the PowerBook really start booting from the newly made floppy (sounds, et cetera)? Did it keep the floppy disk, or was the disk rejected at some point? Did you get the same illegal instruction message when attempting to start without a floppy in the floppy drive? The new floppy may not actually have been bootable (a real sector copy required instead).

With the floppy in place, you could also try to hold down the four keys Command(Apple) + Option(Alt) + Shift + Delete(Backspace) during startup.

Jan

OK.

Getting back to my previous message, have you tried to keep the four keys Command(Apple) + Option(Alt) + Shift + Delete(Backspace) depressed during the startup sequence when attempting to start from a floppy?

Did you really establish that the PowerBook began booting from the floppy (not from the hard disk)? If the computer does not actually start from the floppy, one of the sector-copy methods described earlier (not involving any drag-copy procedure via the Finder at all) may have to be used in order to get a working bootable floppy disk.

Jan

I was just about to suggest taking the hard drive out (do not forget to insulate the connector with tape before a temporary re-assembly) in order to test whether the computer then is able to boot all the way to the Desktop without error from a floppy. If necessary, take-apart instructions for some similar models can be found at, for example, ifixit.com. It is not a good idea to use force.

I am not sure which box it is. The hard drive connector sometimes has a handle, but it is not the hard drive that you mean, is it?

Anyway, at this point things do not look too bright. Carefully inspect the boards with a magnifying glass. Are there any obviously damaged/discoloured electronic components?

Jan

Good to hear that it is working.

It should not be difficult to transfer Disk Copy 4.2 and other encoded/compressed useful files on Mac-formatted floppies to the PowerBook. It would then be possible to create and/or modify floppy disks directly at the PowerBook. To do this, you may need to install a suitable version of StuffIt Expander, such as 4.0.1, on the PowerBook.

One could use a Network Access floppy as a base for a disk tools disk. The Network Access floppy itself has about 10K free, which is not enough for a utility. If you remove all files inside the three folders Apple Menu Items, Control Panels and Extensions, there will be sufficient space. You could then copy either Apple HD SC Setup 7.3.5 or Disk First Aid 7.2.2 to the main level of the floppy.

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Apple_HD_SC_Setup_7.3.5.sea.bin

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_First_Aid/Disk_First_Aid_7.2.2.sea.bin

Apple HD SC Setup is intended for hard drives with an Apple logo. For third-party drives, a third-party utility is usually used.

Jan

Hello again,

This is getting a bit complicated.

I thought that you had a working PowerBook 165(c) now. In that case, it should be possible to transfer (plain copy) downloaded .bin files on Mac-formatted 1.44 MB floppies via a USB floppy drive connected to your 2000 iMac. Once at the PowerBook, you could then decode the .bin (using StuffIt Expander 4.0.1). Then you could carry out all disk-image handling and floppy modifications on the PowerBook.

If you do not have StuffIt Expander 4.0.1 for Macintosh, see the following for one way of getting an installer via a Windows PC:

https://discussions.apple.com/message/21898244#21898244

If you have to handle disk images directly on a Windows PC, the following is one example  (should be OK with older Windows versions and  built-in PC floppy drives; it may or may not work with external USB drives):

The special procedure requires the use of an appropriate version of Aladdin/StuffIt Expander for Windows in order to decode the .bin (MacBinary) and decompress an intermediate file to begin with.

The stuffit-expander-10-windows.uu from the site below could possibly be OK (see the abstracts text file for details; the uuencode must be  decoded before the freeware utility can be installed on a PC):

http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mac/info-mac/_Compress_&_Translate/

A disk-image utility for PC will also be needed. For example, the shareware utility WinImage 6.10.

Install the programs on the PC.

Prepare an empty PC-formatted 1.44 MB (HD) diskette through the FORMAT A: command in DOS or via the "full" formatting command under Windows. This is important.

Download the Network Access Disk 7.5 .bin file.

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Network_Access_Disk_7.5.sea.bin

The Windows operating system may truncate the file name. Drag this downloaded file (as it is) onto/into Aladdin/StuffIt Expander. Aladdin/StuffIt Expander  should decode the file into an archive (document) called Network Access Disk 7.5, and automatically decompress the latter into a Network Access folder.

Inside the Network Access folder you will find a Read Me document and a file called Network Access.image.

Insert the empty PC-formatted diskette into the PC's floppy drive.

If WinImage is used, drag the Network Access.image onto the program icon. In the WinImage application window, select Write disk (from the Disk  menu) or click on the Write disk icon. When the operation is completed, immediately eject the diskette. In order to make this work, it may  become necessary to (temporarily) switch off any active anti-virus software.

Jan

Hi,

1. First of all, I assume that a hard drive is installed. Was this the same as before, or have you tested more than one drive?

2. Was the startup floppy a plain Network Access disk, or was it a disk tools disk of some kind?

We cannot rule out that something is wrong with the hard disk drive driver, and that this is affecting operations.

3. Exactly what happens if you boot from the floppy with the four keys Command(Apple) + Option (Alt) + Shift + Delete(Backspace) depressed during the startup sequence?

4. What happens if you boot from a floppy without a hard drive inside (do not forget to insulate the empty hard drive connector)?

5. Has it at some point been possible to run Disk First Aid or Apple HD SC Setup?

6. Has it at some point been possible to get to the Desktop (with access to the menus)?

Please provide short answers to all these questions.

Jan