Q: Pages 5.0 and Endnote (Cite While You Write)

This is ridiculous.

Like some of the authors who have already replied. I have come to expect Pages to play nice with citation managers. As an academic researcher I use these program daily. Before the most recent update, I had been preaching to my coworkers about how great Pages was. I haven't had Word on my Mac for 3 years.

And how am I repayed for my loyaly? By Apple removing crucial compenents necessary for Papers2 and EndNote to work! Most of EndNote's power is being able to change the citation style TO ANY STYLE I WANT (not just the 6 provided in the plugin) with the click of a button.

I have a dissertation and a couple of publications to write. I can't wait around for a new release.

Word, here I come.

Currently there are another 90 reasons to come to the same conclusion, plus the biggy:

Being able to open your own files into the forseeable future.

Peter

I'm in the similar situation.

If the situation with citation managers will not change in near future, I will be suppressed to migrate to word (that honestly is very painfull).

Janis

Sadly, I too have had to abandon Pages 5 and defect to Word to be able to manage my Bibliography.

I had high hopes for using Pages 5 for serious work, but until this EndNote mess is fixed, it is MS Word for me, too.

I moved back to Pages 2009. It still works fine. You just need to make sure not to open the files by the new pages (You can change the default app for opening .pages files into pages09 instead of pages5.0)

MS Word is just too slow and too unstable on Mac for me.

Agreed. I tried to contact apple directly but it kept saying that it wasn't a valid issue. Of course!

Just to add fuel to the fire: I too am not able to use EndNote X7 with Pages 5.01.

Pages will never be taken seriously as a word processor if academics can't use it to manage citations.

any update on that? it's been more than 6 weeks now since Pages 5 release, unbeliveble! I'm using Pages 4.3 currently

It's totally unacceptable that it's taken so long. I know they sent out an initial fix but when that fix doesn't work at all then there needs to me another update to the system. Are they going to be like Microsoft with always buggy system updates from now on?  Sad.

Hi,

I found the same problem as you.

It may sound ridiculous, but now this method can solve my problem.

1. If your pages output form is something (such as Vancouver style), it will run your numbers at Bibliography incorrectly.

2. You must change the output style to "Annotated" or something else by go to EDIT >> ENDNOTE CITATIONS >> BIBLIOGRAPHY FORMAT >> Annotated.

3. Change the output format again, now, into the format that you prefer (such as Vancouver style in my field)

4. Then the numbers will run correctly.

This all can solve my problem. Do you?

@santipong

I tried your fix but it still doesn't put citations in the footnotes. I never had a problem putting in-text citations, but in the footnote it doesn't even give the option.

I suggest to use the forum to discuss about alternatives. I say so because I made some tests and, in particular, I wrote a short text using Pages Beta version for Icloud. The new Pages for Icloud does not work like the previous one. Now you literally write on their platform while being online. This experience told me that, if Apple's goal is to let us use their platform, then the connection to Endnote can only be successively abandoned. It would be too complex to relate the platform with a database installed on a local computer. This modality of Pages is in the beta version and unifies the older Icloud use with the old and dismissed Iwork platform. Even if this beta version and this modality will not be successfull, it will take ages before this will be recognized and discussed. I am not an expert but I suppose such a trial would take at least 6 months. And then, a new version has to be developed. We all complained all the time that Pages was missing indexing functions to make a proper editor out of it. Now we even have much less than what we had before.

Thus: let us discuss on alternatives. I do not consider MS Word as an alternative because it is too unstable. I am giving a try to Nisus Writer Pro and my first impression is more than good. At least, this is an alternative to write papers. Whether it is stable enough to write entire books I do not know. I did not try yet the import and export modules but as a 15 days trial is for free I would encourage you to do the same and give feedback or to suggest further alternatives.

Add your suggestions and reviews here for others to view:

http://www.freeforum101.com/iworktipsntrick/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=190e7a0b90002f a11a0e7743a98e550d&mforum=iworktipsntrick

Peter

If I understand you correctly, Apple's new model for cloud-based Pages will never allow bibliography database integration. That is, EndNote and similar software will never work properly with Pages. If this is the way it is, the best thing we can do is abandon Pages altogether. Without meaningful bibliography software integration, Pages is useless for serious academic writing.

I work primarily with MS Word right now, and I have not found it unstable, although it does slow down with very large files and extensive bibliography. Nisus is a serious alternative. It works well with Bookends. Mellel is also a possible alternative, although many will find its interface to be quirky. The forum linked by PeterBreis0807 lists many other alternatives.

It's a shame, because there is a great deal about Pages I like. But you can't make it be something it is not.

I have to wonder: MS Word has EndNote integration even though they have cloud operations and are moving toward having some version of Word in iOS. They already have a version of Word in Windows RT. Why can't (or won't) Apple do something similar? To use the metaphor of the truck and the car (first used by Steve Jobs, I think), it seems that Apple has decided to make Pages into a little sports car on every platform, and never a truck. So you will never do serious work with it.