10 Replies Latest reply: Jan 8, 2014 12:10 PM by jimbob5941
jimbob5941 Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)

I just got around to upgrading from a 16Gb iPhone 3Gs running antiquated V4.3 iOS (on ATT)

to a nice new flashy 16Gb iPhone 5s running iOS V7.0.4 (on Verizon).

 

I've noticed that while the 3Gs had 14.3Gb of space available for my use, the new 5s only has 12.9Gb,

an net loss to me of 1.4Gb.  Is there anyway to recover some of this space, or is this just result of the

larger footprint of iOS 7.x or something else over which I have no control?

 

Thanks,

Jim


IBM, Windows Vista
  • 1. Re: Increasing available storage space on iPhone?
    Lawrence Finch Level 7 Level 7 (25,935 points)

    Most of the difference is the size of iOS 7, but check the size of Other. If it is very large (> 2GB) try restoring the phone using iTunes to see if that reduces it.

  • 2. Re: Increasing available storage space on iPhone?
    jimbob5941 Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)

    Thanks Lawrence!

     

    The "other" that shows up on the bottom of the iPhone sumary page in iTunes is ~1.36Gb so I guess that's OK?

     

    That 1.36Gb It is "inside" of the 12.9Gb of "available user" space

    i.e. I add up all the colored bars on the bottom I get 12.9Gb - not 16Gb

     

    and 12.9Gb is what is listed under   Settings-->About-->Capacity

    so maybe it is really just the bigger footprint of iOS 7 ?

  • 3. Re: Increasing available storage space on iPhone?
    rockmyplimsoul Level 5 Level 5 (5,495 points)

    16GB is never really 16GB on any storage medium due to the way storage is marketed vs. how it is seen by the OS (i.e. base 10 counting vs. base 2).  At the GB level, the difference is about 7%, so a "16GB" anything (iPhone, thumb drive, etc.) is really only about 14.9GB of storage.  From there you'd subtract your Other, which consists of the iOS package, artwork for music, media saved in iMessage, etc.  If your Other is 1.36GB that's pretty typical, but this does not add up to what you're seeing.  Are you sure that 12.9GB is not 14.9GB for your total capacity?

  • 4. Re: Increasing available storage space on iPhone?
    Lawrence Finch Level 7 Level 7 (25,935 points)

    Yes, that is reasonable for Other. You will never get 16 GB on the phone, because of iOS, and also that 16 GB is decimal, and the memory reports on the phone are binary, where 1 KB is 1024 bytes and 1 GB is 1,073,741,824 bytes. So this makes it look like you have less memory than is actually there. See: http://support.apple.com/kb/ts2419 for a more detailed explanation.

  • 5. Re: Increasing available storage space on iPhone?
    Lawrence Finch Level 7 Level 7 (25,935 points)

    FYI, "Other" includes iOS data, but not iOS code. The iOS code is a bit over 1 GB and is not part of Other.

  • 6. Re: Increasing available storage space on iPhone?
    jimbob5941 Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)

    Rock:

     

    Thanks for the thoughts ... I do understand the marketing thing ...

    but it does seem that there has been an actual loss of 1.4Gb of user-space from 3Gs --> 5s

     

    I still have the old phone and am reading the available space in the same place on both units:

    Settings-->About-->Capacity

     

    I know I have less actual space now as I was unable to port all of my content to the new phone ... it won't fit...

    and I had about 0.7Gb free on the old unit....

     

    I guess I need to catch up on my podcasts....

     

    Had I known this it would have been a good excuse to upgrade to the 32Gb version .....

  • 7. Re: Increasing available storage space on iPhone?
    rockmyplimsoul Level 5 Level 5 (5,495 points)

    Lawrence Finch wrote:

     

    FYI, "Other" includes iOS data, but not iOS code. The iOS code is a bit over 1 GB and is not part of Other.

    The iOS package you save to your computer might be 1GB, but I don't believe it is that size once installed on the device (maybe part of the package are code to manage the installation).  On a fresh installation (i.e. no backup) I had done the math one time and with nothing loaded at all, other than iOS, the corrected true capacity of the device, minus the ~600MB of Other immediately after restoring, seemed to add up to the true available capacity.  So if iOS is not part of Other, then there'd have to be additional storage outside of the stated device's capacity.

     

    Moot point, but I still believe that iOS is part of what we see as Other, either as "code" or "data" but I'm not sure the difference matters.

  • 8. Re: Increasing available storage space on iPhone?
    Lawrence Finch Level 7 Level 7 (25,935 points)

    iOS 7 is definitely larger than earlier versions. Operating systems always get bigger, never smaller. If you have a lot of music you can compress it somewhat. Connect the phone to iTunes, click on its name in iTunes, then check "Convert higher bit rate songs to 128 kbps AAC", then sync. This will recover a lot of space at the expense of some sound quality, but not enough to notice unless you have $1,000 headphones or studio quality speakers.

  • 9. Re: Increasing available storage space on iPhone?
    Lawrence Finch Level 7 Level 7 (25,935 points)

    I just went through this with a new phone. A new 5S that has nothing installed on it has about 500 MB of Other. Clearly not enough to hold iOS. And back with iOS 5 Other could be as low as 300 MB.

  • 10. Re: Increasing available storage space on iPhone?
    jimbob5941 Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)

    Thank you gents!

     

    I don't think I said so earlier, but I did set of the 5s as a "new" device ...

    I did NOT do a restore from my old 3Gs...

    I didn't want to tempt the computer gods by restoring crap from iOS v4.x   to iOS V7.x  

     

    I'll compress down the music per your suggestion Lawrence,

    catch up on podcasts and do some other house-cleaning.

     

    I do NOT have high-fidelity ears ... so fidelity loss will not be noted by me....

     

    Jim