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Jan 10, 2014 2:44 PM in response to WhiskeySamby rccharles,Have you tried safe boot?
Something appears to be wrong with your video chip. Video chips are solderd onto the logic board.
Here is a workaround...
You may have a problem with the video chip.
Here is how to tell...
Shutdown your machine. Hold down the shift key. Poweron. Bootup will be longer.
Wait awhile while you harddrive is being checked.
An article on how to boot into safe mode.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1455
Runs OK in safe mode...
Running in Safe mode leaves out some video drivers. Which results in your machine not using advanced video hardware. As luck would have it, you can run the safe mode video drivers in normal mode.
Here is how:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/16057567#16057567
Look through the above thread. See the second page. You don't have to read through the first page. Just go to the part where I try a solution that works.
Using the safe mode video driver results in these limitiations:
-- OpenGL acceleration is not supported on this mac
-- Your mac lacks quartz extreme acceleration
Summary of G5 problems. Includes instructions on a hardware fix for the brave at heart:
See -Rotten Apple- articles in both of these threads.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4023152?tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/message/18700825#18700825
Robert
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Jan 11, 2014 9:52 AM in response to rccharlesby WhiskeySam,Thanks for you reply. IMAC will not boot in "Safe Mode" either. Get the same results as with normal boot attempt. Rotating gear, lots of fan noise and then shutdown.
AHT seems to be inconsistent with the following Extended Test Results:
Run 1: Video RAM error code 2nvd/1/4:2103
Run 2: Logic Board error code 2gmc/3/15:Built In
Run 2: Memory error 2mem/3/4:dimm0/J4000
Do you think anything can be achieved by restoring OS X?
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Jan 11, 2014 10:40 AM in response to WhiskeySamby rccharles,No, you have a hardware problem
check out capacitors.
Your going to have to play around with the hardware alot to make progress.
You need to remove all attached devices to machine. will boot without keyboard & mouse. Try different keyboard & mouse. Read an article that bad keyboard cased non boot. very rare. Once you try, go back to keyboard & mouse.
Be sure to remove the ethernet cable.
Remove memory sticks. Just let one stick in the machine. Or the minimum if you need more than one. Swap around with fingers crossed. Hope for the best.
Always try booting in safe mode or from dvd. Safe mode should avoid the video issue.
The startup manager will list all of your bootable partitions then give you a choice of which to boot. Hold down the option key then power on. This brings up the startup manager. Click on your hd. Click on right arrow key.
See this discussion... Might be harddrive.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1428295?tstart=0
detach hd. boot from dvd.
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G5 has these hardware issues:
-- bad capacitors on logic board
-- bad capacitors in power supply
-- badly soldered video chip
-- "There were several Mac models with flat panel displays that had bad displays.
Most had serial numbers beginning with "W8"---the code for one specific factory.
This affected PowerBooks as well. If that's the case, the rest of the computer
is probably fine." by Allan Jones in
https://discussions.apple.com/message/21630224#21630224
Google: g5 capacitor replacement kit
More info on capacitor replacement kits
http://jimwarholic.com/2008/07/how-to-repair-apple-imac-g5.php
http://thecapking.com/applg5.html
A success story:
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Jan 11, 2014 11:07 AM in response to rccharlesby WhiskeySam,Thank you again for your continued support. I openned the G5 case and found two bulging caps, one that seems to be leaking. They are located on the logic board below the memory stick sockets. Do you think this is my problem?
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Jan 11, 2014 12:49 PM in response to WhiskeySamby rccharles,Certainally. I believe so. That's the problem.
A lot of people have reported success replacing the capacitors.
Robert
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Jan 11, 2014 1:01 PM in response to rccharlesby WhiskeySam,I'll give it a try and let you know. Thanks again!!
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Jan 21, 2014 9:43 AM in response to WhiskeySamby WhiskeySam,
Replaced caps and Hardware Test solid. Still won't boot so re-installed OS X from original disks ( Panther 10.3.5)and system boots fine. However, I do not have the disks to upgrade to 10.5.8 and many of the apps don't open, including Safari. I talked with Apple Support and they said those upgrades have never been downloadable. The previous system (Leopard 10.5.8) was saved to HD. I am a PC guy so don't know much about Apple. Can the original system be retrieved and, is so, is there a "file" that tells the computer where/when to boot and, if so, could I swap them between the two versions? I appreciate any help. -
Jan 21, 2014 11:20 AM in response to WhiskeySamby rccharles,The startup manager will list all of your bootable partitions then give you a choice of which to boot. Hold down the option key then power on. Continue holding down the option key until you see the startup manager. This brings up the startup manager. Click on your hd or disc. Click on right arrow key.
Still won't boot so re-installed OS X from original disks ( Panther 10.3.5)and system boots fine.
Where did you install Panther? Use startup manager to see your list of OS.
The previous system (Leopard 10.5.8) was saved to HD.
What do you mean by this? Copies of the dvds? Not sure this are installable.
Can the original system be retrieved and, is so, is there a "file" that tells the computer where/when to boot and, if so, could I swap them between the two versions?
What's the original system? Panther. Leopard?
In this time frame, all OS software came on cd/dvd. There was no hidden backup partition.
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Restore Tiger 10.4 & Leopard 10.5 DVDs are available from Apple by calling 800-767-2775 as of January 20, 2013. Have your serial number ready. Have your credit card ready too. There is a small fee.
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Jan 21, 2014 12:00 PM in response to WhiskeySamby WhiskeySam,The Start Up Manager only offers one option, that is the HD and clicking on the right arrow produces a boot of 10.3.5 OS X.
Panther (10.3.5) was installed on the HD at which time the previous non-bootable installation of Leopard (10.5.8) was saved on the same HD in a file called "Previous Systems." It is there and I can open and view the various folders.
Leopard was the original system (the one that wouldn't boot) and Panther is the one I just installed.
Do you think it possible to fix the Leopard booting problem and retrieve that OS X.
There are a number of apps that are not happy with the 10.3.5 version of the OS X.Thanks for your continued support!!
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Jan 21, 2014 2:34 PM in response to WhiskeySamby rccharles,which time the previous non-bootable installation of Leopard (10.5.8) was saved on the same HD in a file called "Previous Systems."
I do not know how to boot from this folder.
Give Apple another call. See if you can talk them out of Leopard. See the end of my last post.
Otherwise you will have to find leopard on ebay. Make sure you get the full retail version. They are in black. They grey disc are machine specific and only boot on the intended machine.
Robert
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Jan 22, 2014 9:27 AM in response to WhiskeySamby WhiskeySam,Thanks for your reply, Robert. I called Apple as you suggested and they are sending me both Tiger (4 disks) and Leopard (1 Disk), get this, free of charge including the shipping costs. Should be here in 3 to 5 days. BTW, their number has changed to 1800 275 2273. So, I have have that time to try and figure out how to re-coup the oringinal system. If anyone has any thoughts on that I would be pleased to hear them.
Thanks again for all you assistance. You have been a big help!!
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Jan 22, 2014 10:16 AM in response to WhiskeySamby rccharles,This is amazing! When Tiger was released, it shipped only on DVD. To get the 4 cds, you had to send to Apple your DVD and $20.
What are you looking to do? You would install the new system the same way as you did Panther.
Do you have a lot of apps you would want to save? You should backup your entire hd to an external hd.
Be sure to get an old version of these utilities. Drag & drop will copy all the data, but the result will not be bootable.
Here are two utilities for making a complete backup of your internal hard drive. I've recommend using one of these so that you can create a bootable system on your external hard drive. ( PPC require a firewire connected drive. ) Once created, you can run your system from the external drive. Hold down the option key on your keyboard then power on your machine. This will bring you in startup manager click on the drive image you wish to boot then click on the arrow key to the right.
"Clone, synchronize, backup. Schedule and forget it."
http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html
"SuperDuper is the wildly acclaimed program that makes recovery painless, because it makes creating a fully bootable backup painless."
http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html
You need an external Firewire drive to boot a PowerPC Mac computer [ a few G5's will boot from USB ].
I recommend you do a google search on any external harddrive you are looking at.
I bought a low cost external drive enclosure. When I started having trouble with it, I did a google search and found a lot of complaints about the drive enclosure. I ended up buying a new drive enclosure. On my second go around, I decided to buy a drive enclosure with a good history of working with Macs. The chip set seems to be the key ingredient. The Oxford line of chips seems to be good. I got the Oxford 911.
I'd give OWC a call. 1-815-338-8685.
FireWire 800 + USB 3, + eSATA
&
save a little money interface:
FireWire 400 + USB 2.0
This web page lists both external harddrive types. You may need to scroll to the right to see both.
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/1394/USB/EliteAL/eSATA_FW800_FW400_USB
(2) FireWire 800/400 Ports (Up to 100MB/s / 50MB/s)
(1) USB 3.0 Port (Up to 500MB/s / 60MB/s)
(1) eSATA Port (Up to 300MB/s)
Has a combo firewire 800/400 port. Not sure what this is. Looks like you will need 400 cable.
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Jan 23, 2014 12:26 PM in response to WhiskeySamby WhiskeySam,What I would like to do is backup the foler "Previous System 1" to external USB HD (got several of these, but no Firewire) and then format and re-load Panther, Tiger and Leopard anew. Then drag whatever back from the HD. Haven't been able to get the IMAC to talk to my USB HD yet. Any thoughts about that? BTW the Tiger and Leopard disks arrived today. They are all marked "Replacement CD/DVD Not For Sale."
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Jan 23, 2014 3:55 PM in response to WhiskeySamby WhiskeySam,Got the USB drive working, Had to re-format it to FAT-32. I'll let you know how the re-load works out. In the meantime, if you have further suggestions, I would be pleased to hear them.