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Q: Attaching to Server 10.6.8 from OS 9

Hello,

 

    I run in a mixed environment due to several legacy systems that are in place. I've recently had to setup a new (to me) server that is running Server 10.6.8. The other X Servers in the building are all 10.3 and 10.4. The server software was installed as version 10.6.3 then updated to 10.6.8 on an Intel-based Mac Pro and seems to be running fine.

 

    The problem (huge problem) is that I'm unable to attach to the server from a Mac OS 9.2.2 machine via IP though and this concerns me a great deal. The majority of the machines that need to attach are Mac OS 9 machines. I have to have a server running at version 10.5.X or higher to support a backup solution that is about to be deployed. I know that Appletalk isn't supported any longer and having a server that doesn't appear in the chooser is no big deal. I should still be able to access it via IP though right?

 

   I am get an error that says that the version of AFP is incompatible.

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Brian

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Jan 22, 2014 10:58 AM

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Q: Attaching to Server 10.6.8 from OS 9

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  • by cpragman,

    cpragman cpragman Jan 23, 2014 2:59 PM in response to BLane_IN
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    Jan 23, 2014 2:59 PM in response to BLane_IN

    Vaguely recalling that there were various patches to the AFP implementation as apple migrated to AFP-over-TCP/IP networking.  Check and see if there are any opdated to "Appleshare Client" that you might need ot install on your client.  Last one I have on file was AppleShare Client 3.8.8 (Jan 8, 2001)

     

    Other thing to check is the security settings on your server.  If server only allows login using SSL encryption (to prevent AFP passwords from being sent in clear text), then the OS 9 mac may not be able to login.

  • by BLane_IN,

    BLane_IN BLane_IN Jan 26, 2014 2:05 PM in response to cpragman
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    Jan 26, 2014 2:05 PM in response to cpragman

    I appreciate your response and here is where I stand.

     

      My Appleshare clients on the OS 9 machines are all up to date and I am still getting the message that the server uses an incompatible version of AFP. I get this message as soon as I enter the IP address of the server through the chooser.

     

    With that in mind, it would appear that SSL may not be an issue because I'm not even getting to the point where I can enter a username and password.

     

      I feel like I'm missing some very basic step here but I'm at a loss. I have other OS X servers (10.3 and 10.4) and these work without a hitch. These servers show up in the chooser so my users have the option of either connecting through there or via IP. I understand that the 10.6 server won't show up in the chooser but everything I looked at indicated it would work via IP through entering the server IP address from the chooser window.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Brian

  • by Antonio Rocco,

    Antonio Rocco Antonio Rocco Jan 29, 2014 1:55 PM in response to BLane_IN
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    Jan 29, 2014 1:55 PM in response to BLane_IN

    I can confirm you can't connect OS9 clients to a 10.6 Server because ATP is deprecated in 10.6. OS9 can't access the version of AFP on 10.6 Server because it's newer than that in 10.4 and earlier.

     

    I recall reading on page 68 of the 10.4 Server File Services Administration Manual something regarding it:

     

    http://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/0/MA108/en_US/File_Services_v10.4.pdf

     

    However on page 94 in the 10.6 Server File Services Administration Manual it says pretty much the same thing which contradicts TS3055!

     

    Not long after the release of 10.6 Apple issued this (for me) conclusve support article:

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3055

     

    Which is why I gave up trying to find a way to enable AppleTalk Browsing over TCP/IP in 10.6's Network Preference Pane using the GUI or the command line ages ago.


  • by cpragman,

    cpragman cpragman Jan 29, 2014 5:32 PM in response to Antonio Rocco
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    Jan 29, 2014 5:32 PM in response to Antonio Rocco

    Perhaps you could upgrade your OS 9 macs to 10.4 or 10.5 and run your OS 9 apps via the classic emulator?

    Another option is to use "sheepshaver" to run an OS 9 virtual machine on a present-day Mac. (I've got it running under 10.9 myself).

  • by Antonio Rocco,

    Antonio Rocco Antonio Rocco Jan 30, 2014 1:09 AM in response to cpragman
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    Jan 30, 2014 1:09 AM in response to cpragman

    They're already on 10.4 and OS9 does not work using the classic emulator for the reasons I've stated. Not tried 10.5 as the macs don't meet Leopard's minimum requirements. I tried Sheepshaver many times on the PowerPC units but found it slow and unreliable once I moved up from 9.0.4.

     

    I'm guessing for you at least it works? By works I mean you can connect using the Chooser in a Sheepshaver environment to a 10.6 Server?

     

    TBH in the environment where the 'problem' first showed itself users resisted the move to OS X simply because it took them out of their comfort zone. No compelling reason for them to stay on OS9 at all. No business-critical software for example that would only worked in OS9.

  • by cpragman,

    cpragman cpragman Jan 30, 2014 3:47 AM in response to Antonio Rocco
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    Jan 30, 2014 3:47 AM in response to Antonio Rocco

    Note I'm not using sheepshaver enough to say whether it would work in your network situation. I've only used it to access local files