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Q: Aperture not creating new version of raw image when editing in external editor

I have my export settings set up in Aperture 3.5.1 as editing int Photoshope Elements 12 as Tiff files.  When I right click on a raw photo in aperture and say to edit in PSE, it will open it in the program, but only in camera raw. 

 

This happens even when I have made edits to that particular file, such as exposure.  This is causing problems with saving back to aperture.  I have troubleshot this with Elements and the problem seems to be that Aperture is not creating a new version  on export.

 

Can you tell me what I need to do?

 

Thanks so much for any insight.

iMac, OS X Mavericks (10.9)

Posted on Feb 20, 2014 9:57 AM

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  • by RTurner5,

    RTurner5 RTurner5 Feb 20, 2014 10:03 AM in response to RTurner5
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    Feb 20, 2014 10:03 AM in response to RTurner5

    I should also add that I have tried to change my export settings to psd as well, but no matter what the setting it is exporting it as .nef.  And not a new version, but the original. 

  • by Ernie Stamper,

    Ernie Stamper Ernie Stamper Feb 20, 2014 11:12 AM in response to RTurner5
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    Feb 20, 2014 11:12 AM in response to RTurner5

    This should not be happening, and have never seen it.  Also, technically, you don't right click on a RAW file, but a Version in Aperture.  Where is it that you are clicking?

     

    Ernie

  • by RTurner5,

    RTurner5 RTurner5 Feb 20, 2014 1:41 PM in response to Ernie Stamper
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    Feb 20, 2014 1:41 PM in response to Ernie Stamper

    If I right click on the photo it brings up a  list of options and the 1st one is the edit in Photoshop elements 12, however, even if I go to photo, edit in phtoshop elements editor, it has the same effect. same with shift + command+o.  If  I drag the photo down into PSE on the task bar it opens as a jpeg, but if I do that it won't allow me to save it back into aperture.

     

    I had it working in PSE 11, and maybe in 12 in the beginning, I don't remember.  Do you think my program has become corrupted?

  • by RTurner5,

    RTurner5 RTurner5 Feb 20, 2014 1:58 PM in response to RTurner5
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    Feb 20, 2014 1:58 PM in response to RTurner5

    One more thing,  If I have a picture that is a jpeg in Aperture, it exports as a tiff and creats a version and I can save back to aperture, so this is just my .nef photos.

  • by Najinsky,

    Najinsky Najinsky Feb 20, 2014 6:11 PM in response to RTurner5
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    Feb 20, 2014 6:11 PM in response to RTurner5

    What you have described is not how it is meant to work so it sounds like there is an issue on your system.

     

    Try running the first two first aid procedures (repair permissions and repair database) as described here:

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3805

     

    I think this should fix the issue, but let us know if it doesn't.

     

    PS: When you drag the image from Aperture to PSE on the task bar, you are sending the JPEG preview to PSE, so that's an unrelated process.

     

    Andy

  • by RTurner5,

    RTurner5 RTurner5 Feb 21, 2014 9:26 AM in response to Najinsky
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    Feb 21, 2014 9:26 AM in response to Najinsky

    Thank you for the ideas.  I tried both the repair permssions and repair database as well as rebuild database and deleted permissions and  even uninstalled and reinstalled Aperture.  It still is doing the same thing. 

  • by Kirby Krieger,

    Kirby Krieger Kirby Krieger Feb 21, 2014 9:29 AM in response to RTurner5
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    Feb 21, 2014 9:29 AM in response to RTurner5

    Just fishing ... what's the exact file name and path in "Aperture➞Preferences➞Export➞External Photo Editor"?

  • by RTurner5,

    RTurner5 RTurner5 Feb 21, 2014 9:32 AM in response to Kirby Krieger
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    Feb 21, 2014 9:32 AM in response to Kirby Krieger

    Aperture➞Preferences➞Export➞External Photo Editor - Photoshop Elements 12 Editor

  • by waldhaus1,

    waldhaus1 waldhaus1 Feb 21, 2014 12:57 PM in response to RTurner5
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    Feb 21, 2014 12:57 PM in response to RTurner5

    What RAW file are you using?

    The normal behavior is as you expect generate a tiff (or PSD) from the version you are clicking on(with the modifications you may have added such as sharpening, definition, etc.) Perhaps if you have no edits whatsoever in aperture then it might go over as a raw, but that doesn't seem right. It should go over as the tiff and then come back as a tiff (it works best if you flatten the image before saving in photoshop. Also do a save rather than save as.

    Perhaps if you have a marginally supported raw file thate behavior you are experienceing will happen, - but it seems if you see the image in aperture it should be able to process it in aperture.

  • by RTurner5,

    RTurner5 RTurner5 Feb 21, 2014 1:22 PM in response to waldhaus1
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    Feb 21, 2014 1:22 PM in response to waldhaus1

    The camera I use is a Nikon D90 and the files are .NEF.  If I open a jpeg it does do as you described.  On the .NEF files, it doesn't make a difference if I make chages first, such as changing exposure or such, it will still open in camera raw. 

     

    Could I have imported them into Aperture wrong.  Is .NEF the wrong thing?

  • by waldhaus1,

    waldhaus1 waldhaus1 Feb 21, 2014 1:58 PM in response to RTurner5
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    Feb 21, 2014 1:58 PM in response to RTurner5

    I am at a loss. I would think the NEF should be just fine. Perhaps there is a setting in Photoshop express that has tiff files opened in camera raw. I know that photoshop either has that setting or did.

    One question would be when you do the edit in PSE does aperture make a new version?

    Are your raw files referenced or managed?

  • by RTurner5,

    RTurner5 RTurner5 Feb 21, 2014 2:45 PM in response to waldhaus1
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    Feb 21, 2014 2:45 PM in response to waldhaus1

    I think that it has to be in Aperture, because if it is a jpeg it creates a version and then opens it in PSE as a tiff.  so tiff files open.  The problem seems to be that it doesn't create a tiff version of a raw file before exporting.

     

    If I go ahead and open the file from the camera raw once it is in PSE, then it will not let me save it back to aperture but only gives the option  to  save as.  However, it works fine on my jpeg->tiff files.

  • by waldhaus1,

    waldhaus1 waldhaus1 Feb 21, 2014 3:02 PM in response to RTurner5
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    Feb 21, 2014 3:02 PM in response to RTurner5

    I am at a loss. I just looked at the camera raw preferences for photoshop and it does have a separate setting for both tiff and jpeg files. On the other had on my mac it is set up as open with settings for both, yet the camera raw images are converted to tiff by aperture and go to photoshop without stopping in camera raw. Somehow PSE and Aperture aren't communicating in the expected way. I am not sure if Apple's phone support would help you. As a work around you could export to a tiff, then open that in PSE and import that file into aperture. That would be a nuissance, but keep your library in order.

  • by RTurner5,

    RTurner5 RTurner5 Feb 21, 2014 3:05 PM in response to waldhaus1
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    Feb 21, 2014 3:05 PM in response to waldhaus1

    Do you know how I could create a tiff but keep the copy in aperture and then export it, so that if I make any changes in PSE I will have that saved into Aperture?

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