Rob Page

Q: FCP 6 and Mavericks

I want to upgrade my OS to Mavericks so I can buy/install Logic which is awesome and has vastly outpaced my current DAW, Digital Performer over the years. I'm still using FCP 6.  I can't upgrade to FCP 7 of course (would if I could) and FCP X won't work for me: I have years of work for real, paying clients that isn't backward compatible with FCP X.  (not to mention the investment in 3rd party filters that haven't been re-written for X)

 

Bottom line: I want to buy more Apple software (Logic), but if FCP 6 won't work at the end of this odyssey, I will be really and truly scr***d.  Apple, you're not making it easy on a fellow.


Anyway, does anyone have experience running FCP 6.0.6 under Mavericks? My son has Mavericks on his iMac and FCP 6 opens and seems to run fine on it.  But that doesn't mean there aren't hidden problems.


Thx

27" iMac - 3.4 GHz i7, 16 GB RAM

current os 10.7.5

iMac (27-inch Mid 2011), Mac OS X (10.7), 16 GB RAM

Posted on Nov 22, 2013 4:46 PM

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  • by Shane Ross,

    Shane Ross Shane Ross Feb 28, 2014 10:56 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Feb 28, 2014 10:56 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    And do you offer any of your OWN solutions? Nope...you point to a blog that someone else wrote about this.  Yes, that hack does work for many things, but it isn't fool-proof. 

     

    I use editing applications for a living...I still use FCP to earn a buck. Because of that, I don't "hack" anything and hope it will work. I use it on supported systems and OS versions, and will continue to recommend that others do as well, especially on the offical Apple forums. It's the professional solution. 

     

    Although I to know that many FCP users might not be "professional," using FCP to earn a buck. Still, I offer solutions I know to be solid. Always have, always will.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Feb 28, 2014 11:29 AM in response to Jon Chappell
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    Feb 28, 2014 11:29 AM in response to Jon Chappell

    Jon Chappell wrote:

     

    Instead of using the Terminal, would it not be a lot easier to use Pacifist?

     

    http://www.charlessoft.com

    Jon:

     

    By way of some history on this issue that I have posted in other threads (some of which are subscribed to by Shane):

     

    My principal expertise that I share on this forum has to do with using PowerPC applications in a Lion (and then Mt. Lion and now Mavericks) world.  As such, I came across various examples of people having trouble attempting to install FCS2 (FCP6) into Lion and receiving the "PowerPC" dialog box.

     

    The early advice on this issue (after the initial introduction of Lion in 2011) was to attempt to install Rosetta from the Mac OS X Snow Leopard Install DVD into Lion and then successes in installing FCP 6 were reported!

     

    It always troubled me that this advice was being given as it made no sense that installing Rosetta into Lion should do anything, let alone allow the installer for FCP6 to function, when there have been absolutely no other reports of any other PPC app working in a similar fashion!  Why would it work almost exclusively for FCP's installer and nothing else? 

     

    Furthermore, I have never seen reported anyone's success in subsequently being able to remove Rosetta from their Lion system.  And finally I began to see some anecdotal reports of severe system damage after later updates in Lion by some of those who had previously installed Rosetta; requiring a complete hard disk wipe and system install leaving the user in the same quandry as how to install FCP6.

     

    Early on in my interest on this topic, I determined that I should speak out against the installation of Rosetta in Lion and instead use of Pacifist instead.  However, some of the users in these threads reported that they were not successful in attempting to install FCP6 with Pacifist.

     

    At this point, I became interested in getting to the root of the problem and attempted to purchase a used copy of FCS2 on both eBay and Amazon. 

     

    I had previously purchased from Amazon, used/demo CD-ROMs published by Pearson (for use with their educational textbooks, after posters [primarily college students] would ask how to run these PowerPC CD-ROMs on their modern [i.e., Lion] Macs) in my research to post a now successful solution to their problems.  Given the severe downturn in educational funding, most colleges are not upgrading these particular textbooks and hence there is little financial incentive for Pearson to rerelease these CD-ROMs written for modern Intel Macs.

     

    I discovered that FCS2 is still in healthy demand by its expanding base of users, especially after the debacle of the initial release of FCP X.  Hence, even as "used" software, this package sells for prices that I cannot personally justify for the "greater good!"

     

    I have posted my frustration in this regard many times in the hopes that someone would "loan" me a copy of FCS2 for the "fair use" of attempting to discover a better way to solve the problem of its installation into Lion, Mt. Lion and Mavericks.  But my audience is small and I have not received a positive response.

     

    Then I discovered Jeremy Johnstone's blogposts on the vary same issue and he presented his Terminal solution to the problem.  I have many times suggested this solution to modern posts in the Mt. Lion and Mavericks world to those frustrated at having purchased a new Mac yet unable to install FCS2 onto it.  To those who were willing to use Terminal, they all reported success in these efforts.

     

    However, use of Terminal is a bit daunting to some, so I continued to pursue the issue and further discovered that Jeremy Johnstone has later claimed on his blog to have come up with a solution to the installation problem that only requires the use of Text Edit, a program that most anyone skilled in the editing arts would have no reservations about using.

     

    I then contacted Johnstone personally and asked him if he could provide a more detailed step-by-step instruction set and initially he inicated that he would.  However, I have been unable to contact him further and he appears to have moved on to more important issues in his life.

     

    So again my hope was to acquire a "loaner" copy of FCS2 so that I could implement Johnstone's work and describe the solution in detail.  Again, to this date, the limited audience that have read my requests have not responded positively.

     

    Perhaps you or Shane would like to made this loan, in the efforts of a good simple solution.  I live in Los Angeles and I would personally pay for the roundtrip shipping costs.

     

    Sure beats theoretical arguments... 

  • by Shane Ross,

    Shane Ross Shane Ross Feb 28, 2014 11:29 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Feb 28, 2014 11:29 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    The fact the Rosetta worked in enableing FCP to be installed might be a mystery to you...but it did work. As did your suggestion about the Terminal. Why did Rosetta work when you say it made no sense for it to? No idea...I'm an editor, not a computer programmer.

     

    I wish I could loan you my copy, but it's an UPGRADE version, and tied to my serial number from FCP 2.  As is my FCS 3 version. My serial numbers are already in use.

     

     

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Feb 28, 2014 11:36 AM in response to Shane Ross
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    Feb 28, 2014 11:36 AM in response to Shane Ross

    I actually did not direct those (retorical) questions to you, since you are clearly not interested in helping to discover a better method of installing FCS2 into Mavericks -- your prejudice has been clearly stated by you and need not be repeated in every subsequent post you make to this thread.

     

    It is no longer a mystery after Johnstone's subsequent research on the matter.  It is clearly the result of an effort on Apple part to keep the installer from FCS2 (as well as some other older versions of Apple software) from working in Lion and thereafter.  That is why he was able to discover a simple solution using just Text Edit.

     

    I understand your reluctance to loan out your copy of FCS2...

  • by Jon Chappell,

    Jon Chappell Jon Chappell Feb 28, 2014 11:36 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Feb 28, 2014 11:36 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    The installer requires Rosetta for the registration plugin and related scripts. Since the apps in the suite will prompt for the serial number if it doesn't exist, there's no reason this step needs to be completed at the installation stage. The installer BOM itself is cross-architecture.

     

    Since Pacifist is essentially doing what the Terminal command is doing I don't see that it makes a difference. I've used Pacifist with Final Cut Studio installers in the past without issues.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Feb 28, 2014 11:41 AM in response to Jon Chappell
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    Feb 28, 2014 11:41 AM in response to Jon Chappell

    Jon Chappell wrote:

     

    Since Pacifist is essentially doing what the Terminal command is doing I don't see that it makes a difference. I've used Pacifist with Final Cut Studio installers in the past without issues.

    That is terrific news! 

     

    If you are willing to post a more detailed, step-by-step instruction set for using Pacifist to install FCS2, I would be happy to refer to this post in all subsequent threads that raise this issue.

     

    Any port in a "can't install FCS2 into Lion (Mt. Lion/Mavericks)" storm!

  • by Shane Ross,

    Shane Ross Shane Ross Feb 28, 2014 11:41 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Feb 28, 2014 11:41 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    Quick Michael, your super-powers are needed on another forum!

     

    http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/8/1181981#1182009

     

    (Yes, I am teasing you...lightheartedly...)

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Feb 28, 2014 11:42 AM in response to Shane Ross
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    Feb 28, 2014 11:42 AM in response to Shane Ross

    My mission is done here...

  • by Mee Head,

    Mee Head Mee Head Mar 26, 2014 9:20 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Mar 26, 2014 9:20 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    I second MIchaelLAX on this. I would love to see a detailed step-by-step on using Pacifist to intall FCS2.

     

     

    I'm in the same boat as the plethora of other people with FCS2 and Mavricks 10.9.2. I'm trying to intall it, but I'm not very savy in this area. I've looked through quite a few threads and I thank you for all your input and help Michael. I'm thinking of using the "Jeremy Johnstone" method, but I haven't been able to find anybody varifying that it definatly works on Mavricks. This may be a stupid question, but if Jeremy Johnstone's method doesn't work, can it screw up my computer, or will it just "Not work"? I'm thinking I would Copy/paste his code directly into terminal.

     

    Thanks

     

    P.S. Did you ever get anyone to loan you a copy of FCS2, Michael?

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Mar 27, 2014 12:28 AM in response to Mee Head
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    Mar 27, 2014 12:28 AM in response to Mee Head

    Mee Head wrote:

     

     

    P.S. Did you ever get anyone to loan you a copy of FCS2, Michael?

     

    Not yet!

     

    I have installed Mavericks on an external hard drive so I can "dual-boot" into Mavericks, when (and if!) I obtain a copy...

  • by Mee Head,

    Mee Head Mee Head May 3, 2014 6:11 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    May 3, 2014 6:11 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    Hey MichialLAX

     

         Did I see (in another thread) that you are in the LA area? I'm in Burbank and I've got a copy of FCS2 that I would love to loan to you if you can figure out how to safely get it installed on Macericks. I have a personal project I need to edit and I would rather edit it on Final cut rather than re-learning a new software. The copy of FCS2 I have is an academic version, but it should be nearly identical. Let me know if you want to borrow it.

     

    -Tim

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX May 4, 2014 3:01 AM in response to Mee Head
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    May 4, 2014 3:01 AM in response to Mee Head

    Tim: YES!  MichaelLAX at AOL dot com

  • by DebbieCA,

    DebbieCA DebbieCA May 10, 2014 3:43 PM in response to Rob Page
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    May 10, 2014 3:43 PM in response to Rob Page

    We're all holding our breath for the step by step post of how to install FCP6 with our DVD's using Maverick! Hope Michael connects SOON with Mee Head.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX May 14, 2014 10:16 AM in response to DebbieCA
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    May 14, 2014 10:16 AM in response to DebbieCA

    Take some breathes...

     

    We've communicated and I should be taking protective possession of his copy of FCP 6 later today! 

     

    I will start working on it this weekend...

     

    NOW, I will be holding my breath!

  • by HawaiianHippie,

    HawaiianHippie HawaiianHippie Jul 8, 2014 6:31 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Jul 8, 2014 6:31 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    I was able to make this work!  However, my install discs were version 6.0.  How shall I commence upgrading to 6.0.6?  Used to be that "Update Software" did the trick, but no more.

     

    [EDIT]

    I found an archive of ProApplicationsUpdate2008-05, which ran and took me to 6.0.5.  So I'm one update short of "current."  As far as I can tell, though, the next ProAppplicationsUpdate issued was 2009-01, and it dealt with FCP 7.x.

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