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Q: update clarisworks, please!

I am a graphic artist, disabled with ataxia now and depending on Clarisworks to replace my pen-on-paper work. It is the artist's delight - AND NO OTHER RECOMMENDED APP CAN TOUCH IT. Apple appears to have abandoned it, leaving it to go very flaky. Click on 'sise' when using Text in 'Draw' and watch total inaction until you go away and come back. Watch your big, intricae and time-consuming file, almost finished, crash. Withi unsaved material.

 

TRY DOING STUFF LIKE THIS WITH SOME BIG-NAME APPS!Roadsweeper.jpg

iMac, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Dec 20, 2012 8:52 AM

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  • by paulfroms gloucestershire,Solvedanswer

    paulfroms gloucestershire paulfroms gloucestershire Apr 10, 2014 1:51 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Apr 10, 2014 1:51 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Great stuff. Kurt! I shall; look at 'Illustrator'. From what you have said it sounds exactly right. Veryh many thanks.  (I now have a whole queue of replies to reply to - almost all of them, like yourself, making things clearer for this bordering-90s head.)

     

    Paul.

  • by christopher rigby1,

    christopher rigby1 christopher rigby1 Apr 10, 2014 5:44 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Apr 10, 2014 5:44 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    MlchaelLAX wrote:

     

    So then it would appear that Clarisworks is a legacy Classic app and not a PowerPC app; hence Rosetta is not involved here.

     

    It appears that it will not run on your Intel iMac with Snow Leopard (10.6.8) installed, so how are you accessing Clarisworks now?  What version is it?

     

    It may be that when the OP referred to "ClarisWorks", he is actually using AppleWorks 6 (before that it was called ClarisWorks, and the last iteration was CW5). AW6 is actually a Carbon app and will run in both OS 9  and OS X. On Intel Macs it runs in Rosetta.

     

    FWIW, AW6 will open CW5 (and earlier?) documents, but adds a warning message saying "This document was created with an earlier version of AppleWorks, and will be saved with a suffix of ...", i.e. the original file is not overwritten, but saved separately.

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Apr 10, 2014 6:16 AM in response to paulfroms gloucestershire
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    Apr 10, 2014 6:16 AM in response to paulfroms gloucestershire

    You're welcome. To avoid a potential problem with older versions that may not work as expected, especially as the Mac OS moves forward, I'd suggest getting Illustrator CS6. That was the last perpetual license version. You'd have to use the newer CC monthly subscription version a lot to get a never ending $20 a month worth out of it.

     

    A full version copy of Illustrator CS6 is not cheap. $600 is the lowest price pretty much anywhere. Not sure how Amazon is managing to sell it as a download rather than boxed. But then, Adobe does the same thing where you can download the trial from their site (exactly the same software, just times out after 30 days) and you could later purchase a license to activate it. So no box from Adobe either that way. I'd have to presume once purchased from Amazon, you get an activation license sent to you.

     

    I looked on eBay and unopened copies aren't any cheaper. I wouldn't touch an open box copy unless the seller was guaranteeing to provide the transfer of ownership form so the serial number belongs to you. Don't even consider an opened, or unopened upgrade version since you'd also have to have a previous version serial number to activate it.

     

    Illustrator's price is mostly why I listed out the much less expensive alternatives, all of which you can try for free as a download to see if you like any of them. Illustrator may also be mucho overkill, depending on the type of art you typically produce.

  • by christopher rigby1,

    christopher rigby1 christopher rigby1 Apr 10, 2014 6:55 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Apr 10, 2014 6:55 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt Lang wrote:

     

    You're welcome. To avoid a potential problem with older versions that may not work as expected, especially as the Mac OS moves forward, I'd suggest getting Illustrator CS6. That was the last perpetual license version. You'd have to use the newer CC monthly subscription version a lot to get a never ending $20 a month worth out of it.

     

    ........

     

    Illustrator's price is mostly why I listed out the much less expensive alternatives, all of which you can try for free as a download to see if you like any of them. Illustrator may also be mucho overkill, depending on the type of art you typically produce.

     

    Not so long ago, Adobe were giving away CS2 as a free download - either in whole or any of its constituent parts; they included a licence key for them on the download page.

     

    I take the point about 'older versions' that Kurt makes, but if you are still using 10.6.8, you may find Illustrator CS2 adequate for your needs, especially if it's free. The big question is whether these free downloads are still available. (From this : Adobe : it appears that you will need an Adobe ID first, so you may need to go down that route first.)

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Apr 10, 2014 7:06 AM in response to christopher rigby1
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    Apr 10, 2014 7:06 AM in response to christopher rigby1

    I completely forgot about that, Christopher. As you know, all CS2 and older apps are all PowerPC code so will not run directly in any OS newer than 10.6.x.

     

    I logged in with my Adobe ID, and the CS2 downloads and activation codes are still there. Heck, you can grab the entire suite if you want.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 10, 2014 8:04 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Apr 10, 2014 8:04 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt Lang wrote:

     

    I completely forgot about that, Christopher. As you know, all CS2 and older apps are all PowerPC code so will not run directly in any OS newer than 10.6.x.

     

    I logged in with my Adobe ID, and the CS2 downloads and activation codes are still there. Heck, you can grab the entire suite if you want.

    In late 2012, when I first heard about Adobe offering a free download and serial number to CS2, I ran over there and downloaded it and installed it!  Apparently the word got out, as soon Adobe added a restrictive notice to that download site that the ability to download and use the serial number for CS2 was only for previously licensed users of CS2 (maybe they lost their serial number; I do not totally understand that rationale).

     

    However I ignored that restriction since it did not exist when I downloaded CS2.  Later Adobe moved the download page to a restriction that required an Adobe ID login.  I never attempted to do that log in, as I presume that it would attempt to again impose its restriction on me.

     

    Is that restriction still there behind the Adobe ID login?

     

     

    christoper rigby1 said:

     

    It may be that when the OP referred to "ClarisWorks", he is actually using AppleWorks 6

    If that's the case the OP can run Appleworks 6 and even CS2 in Snow Leopard Server installed into Parallels for continued use in Mavericks:

     


    Appleworks in SLS.png

     

    Photoshop red flag in SLS.png

                                  [click on images to enlarge]

     

    More information here:

     

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1365439

     

    Installing Snow Leopard Server into Parallels for DUMMIES!:

     

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=17285039&postcount=564

     

    PS: Paul, you were supposed to award the "solved" points to Kurt...   You can still give him "helped" points!

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Apr 10, 2014 8:25 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Apr 10, 2014 8:25 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    Is that restriction still there behind the Adobe ID login?

    Yes. Once you login, you see this message.

     

    Adobe has disabled the activation server for CS2 products, including Acrobat 7, because of a technical issue. These products were released more than seven years ago, do not run on many modern operating systems, and are no longer supported.

     

    Adobe strongly advises against running unsupported and outdated software. The serial numbers provided as a part of the download may only be used by customers who legitimately purchased CS2 or Acrobat 7 and need to maintain their current use of these products.

     

    So Adobe obviously doesn't intend for this software to be for just anybody. But it still doesn't actually stop anybody from getting them. If you don't have a user account with Adobe, you just create one and then can get into the page.

     

    Of course, a person is then illegally downloading the software, now that Adobe has made the declaration.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 10, 2014 8:36 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Apr 10, 2014 8:36 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt Lang wrote:

     

     

    Of course, a person is then illegally downloading the software, now that Adobe has made the declaration.

     

    Well, a person is then violating their implied contractual license with Adobe if they download and use that serial number without having been a previous owner of CS2.  Whether or not that action is illegal (presumably by violating the copyright act) is a much more detailed and complicated question...

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Apr 10, 2014 9:06 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Apr 10, 2014 9:06 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    Well, a person is then violating their implied contractual license with Adobe if they download and use that serial number without having been a previous owner of CS2.

    I would certainly think so since the statement clearly states the downloads are only for legitimate users who have already purchased CS2 and Acrobat 7.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 10, 2014 9:12 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Apr 10, 2014 9:12 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    An apartment renter's lease says that he is prevented from installing an OTA antenna on his outer wall facing the cities TV transmitting antennas.  A tenant installs a wall mounted antenna.

     

    How many years in prison is he likely to receive from Judge Lang!?

     

    Just because a unilateral software license says something, doesn't mean it is not subject to interpretation and/or questions about its validity.

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Apr 10, 2014 9:19 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Apr 10, 2014 9:19 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    I don't understand why you always look for a way to declare software licenses invalid when they don't suit your needs.

     

    Take it up with Adobe's lawyers and see what they say. It reads pretty plainly to me.

  • by christopher rigby1,

    christopher rigby1 christopher rigby1 Apr 10, 2014 10:57 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Apr 10, 2014 10:57 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt Lang wrote:

     

    I don't understand why you always look for a way to declare software licenses invalid when they don't suit your needs.

     

    Take it up with Adobe's lawyers and see what they say. It reads pretty plainly to me.

     

    That's very true, but something tells me that Adobe are not in any hurry to pursue illegal downloaders, as CS2 is now long out of date, and I assume they don't really care about it or they wouldn't have put it up as a freebie to start with.

     

    Let's face it, unless you need stuff like 'recordable actions', full layer styles on text, or CMYK, all of which are fairly professional features, then Elements has long superseded CS2 for a fraction of the price.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 10, 2014 11:04 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Apr 10, 2014 11:04 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt Lang wrote:

     

    I don't understand...

     

    With all due respect, Kurt, you were the one who told the world:

     

    ...and the CS2 downloads and activation codes are still there. Heck, you can grab the entire suite if you want.

     

    Whereas, I was the one who called your attention to their provisional download restrictions, and only then did you make any reference to them by posting them verbatim online.

     

    What don't you understand about that?

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Apr 10, 2014 11:08 AM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Apr 10, 2014 11:08 AM in response to MlchaelLAX

    Strange how you completely ignore the line right below that in my next post.

     

    Of course, a person is then illegally downloading the software, now that Adobe has made the declaration.

     

    The statement of mine you so boldly pronounce was before I went back into Adobe's page and actually read the declaration. The first time, I just hit the Agree button to see what was behind it.

     

    I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this part of the topic. As I said, call Adobe and ask them. Don't be too surprised by the answer you get.

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 10, 2014 11:26 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Apr 10, 2014 11:26 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt Lang wrote:

     

     

    Strange how you completely ignore the line right below that in my next post.

    Strange how you ignore my statement that I called your attention to the legal restriction and only then you discussed the legal restriction...

     

     

    Kurt Lang wrote:

     

    The statement of mine you so boldly pronounce was before I went back into Adobe's page and actually read the declaration. The first time, I just hit the Agree button to see what was behind it.

     

    Maybe next time you should actually read the declaration before you so boldly announce:

     

     

    Heck, you can grab the entire suite if you want.

     

    While I may not agree with what someone has to say, generally my responses are not an ad hominem attack on their integrity; such as:

     

     

    Kurt Lang wrote:

     

     

    I don't understand why you always look for a way to declare software licenses invalid when they don't suit your needs.

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