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4477 Views 45 Replies Latest reply: Sep 16, 2007 7:18 PM by Khalifa Saleh
Currently Being ModeratedJun 15, 2006 4:20 PM (in response to spittingangels)@spittingangel,
I'm a die hard Apple fan and I have to say that your comment is complete and utter BS. Are you going to argue technicality. That because the manual doesn't name it a laptop, that it isn't?
"Do you know how fast technology changes with computers? A two year old computer is a dinosaur compared to the macbook."
My Toshiba 3.2 GHz P4HT Satellite is 2 years old and fast as it was when I first bought it. (yes it may be a custom laptop, but it's still a pc).
I love my Mac and simply wish that Apple did a better job.
Now I have to worry about discoloration.
"In fact, you will see a trend in most of the computer industry, Apple included, that none of the major players have branded their 'Portable' or 'Notebook' computers as 'Laptops' in quite a few years."
My 17inch Toshiba Satellite is virtually silent and is cool and can sit on my lap.
Apple exudes elegance and quality. Hopefully with the next Macbook updates we can have a switch to turn the fan on and off. That would be ideal.
"If you want a computer to use in your lap and you decline to buy a cooling pad to accomplish this, I'm sorry but the MacBook and the MacBook Pro simply are not for you."
I buy the laptop based on the expectancy. The Macbook IS for me, and for all the others. The heat isn't. And as we know, it's something that CAN be dealt with.
"You'll have to settle for something less powerful that runs cooler. The case is designed to dissipate heat naturally through places not touched during active use and the fans are only there to help with the more extreme temps. "
Not to burst your bubble but you make it seem like there is nothing as powerfull as a Macbook....
As for heat dissipation through untouched areas, the heat is mostly unbearable on the back left, usually where my knee touches. Even from the top, it's uncomfortable. Perhaps I expect too much.
"If the fans kicked on more, your battery power would suffer; there's an inevitable tradeoff. And if Apple implemented a change to make the fans run more often, you might be happy but there'd be a whole slew of people complaining to Apple about their decreased battery life."
That's why I think it would be nice to have a fan switch option.
"So in this tradeoff, you are the one iwth a viable aftermarket solution: You can buy cooling pads with and without fans, the ones running fans typically work off usb and will drain your battery down faster but you decide which is more important to you."
People can also buy spare batteries. Although I would prefer to buy a cooling pad. Pitty I have to buy either though.
"If you are frugal, you can buy a cutting board, works just the same as the passive cooling pads in providing a barrier between the computer and your legs."
I'd like to see that. Dozens of people walking around with cutting boards. The most ideal solution you should have recommended was a liquid gel pack.
"But I wish people, in general, would quit accusing Apple of bad design simply because they are ignorant of current technology and it's not what suits their personal taste."
I never said it was bad design, nor thermal paste. I simply asked if this was the norm, and if it was, I was disappointed at that fact since I expected more. (I know you said people in general)
I'm sorry if I hold Apple with such high regard.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 15, 2006 4:23 PM (in response to Agent Mckay)I think that I am slightly unlucky and that my Macbook is a bit hotter than the average.
I am simply speaking from my own experiences.
I am not overly sensitive I would say. My fiancé has even touched the laptop and sai dthat it was extremely hot.
I think I'll have to decide whether to spend 20 pounds on a ticket to london or buy a mat :P
Currently Being ModeratedJun 15, 2006 6:25 PM (in response to Khalifa Saleh)I have never had a laptop before, the MacBook is the first. It feels warm on the bottom, but certainly not scalding hot. I put on my leg... doesn't feel unconfortable.
How should it feel?
Interestingly enough, I think my Mini gets hotter and it is essentially the same components as the MacBook.Black MacBook 2.0GHz/Mac Mini 1.66GHz, Mac OS X (10.4.6), 512 MB RAM
Currently Being ModeratedJun 15, 2006 7:12 PM (in response to Bantock101)Hey everyone,
I just got my MB replaced yesterday. Mine was extremely hot and mooed. The current model I have right now is perfect. I havent gotten above 47C and it idles around 32-35C. Big difference from my first one that idled at around 50-55C. I havent gotten to the 65C range to see if the mooing is still there.
TFrankMac Mini 1.42ghz | 512mb RAM | 80gb HD | Combo Drive, Mac OS X (10.4.6), Macbook 1.83ghz Core Duo | 1 GB RAM | 60 GB HD | Combo
Currently Being ModeratedJun 15, 2006 7:46 PM (in response to Tom Frank)FWIW I was in my local Apple Store a few days ago and was surprised to find the demo units running a lot cooler than the ones they had on display when they first came out. I even fired up several apps and played some video in iTunes yet they stayed relatively cool to the touch.
Seems like they've definitely made some changes under the hood, but what exactly who knows!Dual 2 G5, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
Currently Being ModeratedJun 15, 2006 8:01 PM (in response to Ivan Soto Fernandez)Hey,
I have a 4H623xxxxxx model. I used to have a 4HG21 model.Mac Mini 1.42ghz | 512mb RAM | 80gb HD | Combo Drive, Mac OS X (10.4.6), Macbook 1.83ghz Core Duo | 1 GB RAM | 60 GB HD | Combo
Currently Being ModeratedJun 15, 2006 8:55 PM (in response to Tom Frank)Yeess agree.. even in tropical country like indonesia, a demo unit i saw earlier was sooo **** cold even the adaptor power connected on it. my guess, theres got to be some model that apple had release a specific relplaced or fixed model.. i dunno.. lets make a pool, can i know the serial no. please for anyone in this forum who doesnt have heat, moo and other problems in their MB as buying guide perhaps for anyone later. and is it true that 2 ghz run coller thatn 1,83? thanks guysMacbook 1.83, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
Currently Being ModeratedJun 18, 2006 2:47 AM (in response to Khalifa Saleh)Just for the record my 1.83 macbook idles at 53/54c and under a 50% load hits 73c. The whine/Mooing is really only audible if the room is really quiet.
TomMacbook 1.83, 1 gig RAM! Mac Mini 1.25 (New 6/3/05), Mac OS X (10.4.6)
Currently Being ModeratedJun 18, 2006 12:57 PM (in response to Khalifa Saleh)
I dont have a whine or moo.
It just gets incredibly hot for me.
For starters, these MacBooks will always be hot, even with the fan coming on earlier during a firmware update/hack, etc. So, we have to work with what we've got.
Here we go. Build or buy a nice tray. A lapdesk...
But, put this on it. I have something similiar and it makes the MacBook very cool. Obviously, you wouldn't want to haul this around all the time during your mobility situations, but for the regular "station" where you have your MacBook, it works quite well. Even the bottom remains cool.
MacBook - 4H621 Mac OS X (10.4.6) G4 Tower, Atari ST with Mac Plus emulator, Dell 8400 Tower, Dell D600 laptop
Currently Being ModeratedJun 18, 2006 1:51 PM (in response to Khalifa Saleh)My MacBook 1.83 GHz, serial number starting with 4H624, runs at around 54ºC with Safari, CoreDuoTemp, Mail, NetNewswire Lite, TextEdit, Stickies, Pages, Terminal, Address Book, Launchbar, iCal, and Transmission open (and most of those apps idling).
With heavier use, the temperature will rise to 66º, and between 66º and 68º the fan will 'moo' faintly.
With still higher loads, the fan will stay on, killing the 'moo', and temperatures of max. 85º will be reached occasionally -- the fans are good.MacBook 1.83 GHz, 1 GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
Currently Being ModeratedJun 19, 2006 8:39 AM (in response to Tom Frank)Im having similar issues with my macbook idling at 65-70C and at load at 83-90C with the bottom getting extremely hot. Was the replacement covered under warranty? I think such hot temperatures ought to be addressed and fixed.Macbook 1.83, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
Currently Being ModeratedJun 19, 2006 10:57 AM (in response to Khalifa Saleh)Been a Mac fan for years and never a problem since my first iBook 12" through 15" PowerBook, 17" PowerBook and lately 12" G4. The greatest little machine of all.
Bought a MacBook last week for the camera and the hype about intel chip being 5 times faster etc etc.
Well after one week it's going right back.
It's just not acceptable to be running so hot. I hate the glossy screen, the camera *****. I have never seen the spinning ball so often on any of my previous Macs.
I remember from years ago when I used Windows, you would never jump in and buy the first of a new line. Always though Apple was decidedly different.
Think they got it wrong this time. Pity, Pity My MacBook is going back to Apple and as I already sold my perfectly good 12" G4, I'll have to try to buy another 12" G4 on eBay.
Maybe in 6 months time when they are sorted, I will look at the MacBook again.
macbook 13" Mac OS X (10.4.6)