HappyTexas

Q: How do I STOP auto-till tags when saving documents?

Please!  I'm asking again.  Please STOP auto-filling my tags as I try to save documents.  You can't spell.  You can't read my mind.  You don't know what you're doing.  You're unwanted.  You get in the way.  You aggravate.  You slow me down.  You make my typing inaccurate.  Correcting your stupid, invasive errors is maddening, a waste of time, and it's desperately NOT wanted.  I'm tired of FIGHTING with my beloved computer!!!

 

 

I know you can allow customers to intelligently and efficiently create their own relevant tags.  I've seen it done.  I've lived it.  I've worked.  I enjoyed it before the lunacy you call a Mavericks "UPgrade."  There's little about Mavericks that has upped your value, Apple.

 

 

I know how to type.   PLEASE, for God's sake, let me do it!!!

iMac, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Apr 22, 2014 8:25 AM

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  • by keriah,

    keriah keriah May 10, 2014 12:44 PM in response to Barney-15E
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    May 10, 2014 12:44 PM in response to Barney-15E

    Barney-15E wrote:

    From your description of what is happening to you, and what we experience, you have a problem with your system.

    Apple will likely not provide any fix for what is wrong with your system as it appears to be an isolated problem.

    ...

    Since the OP has now 'signed out' of this problem, my reply is for those interested in this question.  Frankly, before this post I'd not realized there was an "auto fill" for tag values, so the question itself intrigued me and I tried some experiments.

     

    Because I have those seven (admittedly-dull) tag values, it was easy to try out a couple of experiments.  First, I typed a letter that was in NONE of the tags -- easy to do with only 7 values.  There was no gibberish presented -- nothing was suggested that began with that letter.  Instead, an option was presented to "Create new tag 'aaa'" (where "aaa" was the tag value I'd typed).  Had I taken that option I would now have 8 tag values on my list.  (And so it goes.)  Either the OP was doing that, having typed some "gibberish" and hitting 'return' (perhaps without realizing that the "Create new" action was being triggered), or the system was somehow otherwise populating the tag values list behind the scenes.  I don't suppose we'll ever learn this -- but the former seems the more reasonable alternative.

     

    Next, I typed a letter that *is* the first letter of one (or more) of my existing tag values.  This time I was presented with those values ... and ONLY those values -- i.e., I did not see Mavericks doing any creative guessing or adding something other than what I had explicitly placed on my own list of tag values.  If the OP is still listening in, it would be interesting to hear if her system is presenting fill-in values OTHER than what is on the tag values list (i.e., what is displayed via Finder Preferences -> Tags)???  Also, out of curiosity, roughly how long is that list?

    Barney-15E wrote:

    ...If your only problem is that it is auto-completing the tags, then I really doubt they would fix that just for you. It's way to valuable of a feature to remove it just for you.

    Actually, having the ability for a user to turn off auto-fill is not that unusual an option.  It's available in Safari and Word (etc.).  If enough people request it, it might come in a future OS release.  

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex May 10, 2014 1:45 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 10, 2014 1:45 PM in response to HappyTexas

    Bye, like all your other threads of shouting and sh"""ng

  • by Tony T1,

    Tony T1 Tony T1 May 10, 2014 1:49 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 10, 2014 1:49 PM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

     

    How do I turn off the tags auto-complete ******

     

     

    You can't

  • by Tony T1,

    Tony T1 Tony T1 May 10, 2014 1:50 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 10, 2014 1:50 PM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

     

    How can I make the time-wasting, inaccurate, incorrect, invasive, unwanted, just-plain-wrong words from getting in my way?  How can I make that whole stupid invasion stop?

     

    How can I return to a filing system that was once efficient, operated smoothly and accurately, and that actually did me some good?

     

    You can't

  • by Tony T1,

    Tony T1 Tony T1 May 10, 2014 1:51 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 10, 2014 1:51 PM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

     

    How do I STOP auto-fill tags when saving documents?

     

    You can't

  • by Tony T1,

    Tony T1 Tony T1 May 10, 2014 1:52 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 10, 2014 1:52 PM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

     

    Once again, how do I turn off the auto-complete tag headache?

     

    THAT is the question.

     

    You can't

  • by Tony T1,

    Tony T1 Tony T1 May 10, 2014 1:53 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 10, 2014 1:53 PM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

     

    Buh-bye!

     

     

    Have you tried de-caf?

  • by keriah,

    keriah keriah May 10, 2014 5:28 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 10, 2014 5:28 PM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

    I type much faster than auto-fill invades.  As you know, Mavericks now saves each tag in a list whether the user wants the tags list or not.  Let's say the tags I want to use are catamarran, yacht, and tug boat.  And, no, I do NOT want to save them.  Not a single one.  Not now, not ever.

    I tried what you describe with my simple 7-tag value list.  For a test doc I was saving I typed:  anew1 and watched what Mavericks did.  Yes, when I assigned that value to my doc, it added that value to the Finder list of values. 

     

    So, yes, if you use your "catamarran" and "yacht" and "tug boat" values  (associate them with a file)  then Mavericks will save (remember) those values and will offer them again as you start typing in the tag area in the future.  And, yes, I hear you say you don't want Mavericks to do that but ... <sigh> that's just the way this appears to work.

     

    So, for my next test doc I started typing "a" I saw these two new tag values offered up (along with the one from my original set of 7 that begins with "a").  But I do NOT see any other bizarre offerings from Mavericks -- no "gibberish".  Are you saying that you see terms offered up, as you type tag values, that are NOT on the master list you see in Finder Preferences?  If you do, that would suggest some different issue to be pursued.

    HappyTexas wrote:

    As I try to type catamarran (as desired), Mavericks throws in all the gibberish it's created and stored from previous invasions.

    Can you clarify what you mean by "previous invasions"?  I could not replicate any case where Mavericks presents anything other than some label value that it has saved from a previous usage of mine on some document.

     

    Next I investigated what would happen were I to REMOVE those newly-created values from the Finder Preferences tag value list.  I checked first to confirm that my test document had those two tags assigned; it did.  Then I deleted these two values from Finder's list.  I got a warning that each would be removed -- and was also cautioned that the value(s) would be removed "from 1 item" (i.e., my test doc).  I continued with the "Delete Tag" action for each of the two new values and then (as expected) when I checked the test doc it had NO tags assigned.

     

    IOW, the tags system is (wanted or not) enforcing a kind of "referential integrity":  once a tag value is in use, it must exist on the master list; however, being on the list does not ensure that the value is actually used anywhere, i.e., if "gibberish" gets added, even in error -- typing fast -- it must be explicitly removed.  It is not killed off with the disappearance of its last usage.

    HappyTexas wrote:

    I can either waste a considerable amount of time deleting all the unwanted auto-filled gibberish and then confront it all again as I fight my way through tagging for yacht and tug boat or I can give up on maintaining the efficient file system I've used for years.  I give up long before the tags get accurately typed because I think it's just plain stupid to wrestle with an illiterate robot....

    I would not expect that, once deleted, the "unwanted auto-filled gibberish" would appear as you type.  Once cleaned up, you should not need to "confront it" again.

     

    However, if your Finder's master list is indeed lengthy you might try an experiment:  pick one letter (say, "y" for your "yacht" case) and delete all unwanted entries from Finder's list that begin with "y".  Then start typing "yacht" into a document's tag area and see what values are suggested.  It would be interesting to hear what results you find.


  • by actionmarker,

    actionmarker actionmarker May 10, 2014 5:42 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 10, 2014 5:42 PM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

     

    .......I DO want to use tags...... 

     

    ...... I have no desire to save tags......

     

    As for saving tags,  I just don't. .....

     

    ........ Making any sense yet?

     

    Not really.

     

    If you want to use tags, Mavericks must save these tags, otherwise they can never be found again and using tags to search and open files cannot function.

     

    If you do not want to save a tag, then what is the point of using them in the first place?

  • by HappyTexas,

    HappyTexas HappyTexas May 12, 2014 9:37 AM in response to actionmarker
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    May 12, 2014 9:37 AM in response to actionmarker

    I don't need a list of tags on my computer that do nothing more than slow me down, actionmarker.  I just want to type the tags needed for a particular file and move on.  The list is a production killer.  I want the auto-complete and save features turned OFF.  Do you know a way to do that?  If not, please don't bother responding.

  • by Tony T1,

    Tony T1 Tony T1 May 12, 2014 9:44 AM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 12, 2014 9:44 AM in response to HappyTexas

    You can't

  • by HappyTexas,

    HappyTexas HappyTexas May 12, 2014 9:44 AM in response to keriah
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    May 12, 2014 9:44 AM in response to keriah

    The gibberish, Keriah, is created when I try to type the tag I want to use but Mavericks fills in the useless tags it chose to create and store previously on my computer.

     

    Example?  I begin to type c-a-t and Mavericks jumps in with some junk it stored previously (let's say it stored cattarh).  Now my c-a-t for cattamaran becomes catcattarh plus it adds any other cattarmaran letters I've typed while it invaded my workspace.  Now catamaran becomes something like catcattarhrnc.  It may throw other gibberish its stored into the tag, too, so my tag is a useless hybrid of what I tried to type plus all the junk Mavericks insists I use.

     

    To add insult to injury, the next time I type c-a-t, say for catastrophe, I get the gibberish thrown at me instead of Mavericks allowing me to type into my computer the letters and words I choose to use to accomplish my job.

     

    This is the gibberish that has invaded my file system.

     

    Do you know of a way to make the creation of gibberish stop?

     

    Thanks for all your help.

     


  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 May 12, 2014 9:45 AM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 12, 2014 9:45 AM in response to HappyTexas

    Tony is of course correct, that function does not exist.

  • by keriah,Helpful

    keriah keriah May 12, 2014 10:18 AM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 12, 2014 10:18 AM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

    The gibberish, Keriah, is created when I try to type the tag I want to use but Mavericks fills in the useless tags it chose to create and store previously on my computer.

     

    Example?  I begin to type c-a-t and Mavericks jumps in with some junk it stored previously (let's say it stored cattarh).  ...

     

    Do you know of a way to make the creation of gibberish stop?

    How odd.  I cannot duplicate what you are describing.  Let's back up and see if I am in the same place you are when this is happening.  Where are you typing this tag value for a given file?  For example, is this Finder's Get Info that you've invoked and you're typing in the "Add Tags..." area at the top of that window?  Or is it in some app's "Save as" dialog, where you are given the opportunity to add Tags in the field under the file name field? Or ...???

  • by HappyTexas,

    HappyTexas HappyTexas May 12, 2014 10:33 AM in response to keriah
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    May 12, 2014 10:33 AM in response to keriah

    Thanks again, Keriah, for your voice of sanity in this sea of lunacy.  The problem occurs in the save dialog window from all the apps I use since installing Mavericks.  More than all others, I use Pages, Numbers, and Safari.  I used to use Mail, too, but that has too many new flaws to bother with anymore . . . but the save feature generates all the same problems as the other apps do.

     

    When I'm working in Pages or Numbers and want to save a document:

     

    1)  I click save.

     

    2)  The save screen then opens; the top / first line is for the document's title.

     

    3)  Immediately underneath the title line is a "tags" line.  This is where the problem is.  When I try to type in tags that are correct and appropriate the work I do and the file system I've created to archive that work, the auto-correct / auto-save craziness begins.

     

    I also save reference documents from the internet using Safari.  When I try to save a web page using Safari, the same steps (1 and 2 above) produce the same chaos (step 3 above).

     

    It used to take me less than 30 seconds to save and archive a file.  Now, it's either a lengthy battle or too bothersome to waste time with.

     

    Any fixes you can think of?

     

    Thanks SO much!!

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