HappyTexas

Q: How do I STOP auto-till tags when saving documents?

Please!  I'm asking again.  Please STOP auto-filling my tags as I try to save documents.  You can't spell.  You can't read my mind.  You don't know what you're doing.  You're unwanted.  You get in the way.  You aggravate.  You slow me down.  You make my typing inaccurate.  Correcting your stupid, invasive errors is maddening, a waste of time, and it's desperately NOT wanted.  I'm tired of FIGHTING with my beloved computer!!!

 

 

I know you can allow customers to intelligently and efficiently create their own relevant tags.  I've seen it done.  I've lived it.  I've worked.  I enjoyed it before the lunacy you call a Mavericks "UPgrade."  There's little about Mavericks that has upped your value, Apple.

 

 

I know how to type.   PLEASE, for God's sake, let me do it!!!

iMac, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Apr 22, 2014 8:25 AM

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  • by keriah,

    keriah keriah May 12, 2014 11:56 AM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 12, 2014 11:56 AM in response to HappyTexas

    You're welcome.

     

    I'm away from my computer now so I'll only ask a quick question here.

     

    Before you moved to Mavericks you were NOT tagging your files (ref. your mention of the file system you've created). Is that a correct understanding?

     

    I want to confirm there's not some intermediary (3rd party add-in) that is introducing differences in the behaviors you're seeing vs what I can replicate. (I'm also trying to determine why I can't add a screenshot into my posts.)

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 May 12, 2014 12:10 PM in response to keriah
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    May 12, 2014 12:10 PM in response to keriah

    keriah wrote:

     

    You're welcome.

     

    I'm away from my computer now so I'll only ask a quick question here.

     

    Before you moved to Mavericks you were NOT tagging your files (ref. your mention of the file system you've created). Is that a correct understanding?

     

    I want to confirm there's not some intermediary (3rd party add-in) that is introducing differences in the behaviors you're seeing vs what I can replicate. (I'm also trying to determine why I can't add a screenshot into my posts.)

    How are you trying to insert the screnshot?

  • by HappyTexas,

    HappyTexas HappyTexas May 12, 2014 12:16 PM in response to keriah
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    May 12, 2014 12:16 PM in response to keriah

    Before Mavericks, the word "tags" was "keywords."  Except for the auto-fill and auto-save features, I don't think there's any difference between the two.

     

    I've been archiving files with "keywords" for years.  I don't have need to save lists of the keywords / tags because I can retrieve them from memory and type them much faster and more accurately than Apple can pull them from its list of self-generated gibberish.

     

    I'm not a big fan of 3rd-party add-ins because I've seen how they can wreck PCs.  They're also a reason I choose to buy Apple, not PCs.  That said, I do use some 3rd-party apps (Quickbooks, Adobe, printers, etc.) but only those I've used for years that come from sources I consider reliable and reputable.  I will never download an app from a troll on forums or anywhere else.

     

    That said, I've downloaded no 3rd-party apps to my computer since the Apple store "geniuses" installed Mavericks.  I have installed most of the upgrades to Safari, Pages, Numbers, and OSX that Apple sent my way since that visit to the local Apple store.

     

    Why did I go to the Apple store for installation?  I've never done that before.  I've always upgraded on my own, with no problems.  As I tried to download Mavericks, however, I was getting ridiculous download times that ranged from a day or two to more than 8,800 hours (that's more than 14 months of non-stop downloading and that's just silly).  The people at the Apple store told me they upgraded all the applications on my computer when they installed Mavericks.  I have no problems with anything except Apple programs now.

     

    Thanks again for your help.

  • by Tony T1,

    Tony T1 Tony T1 May 12, 2014 1:51 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 12, 2014 1:51 PM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

     

    Any fixes you can think of?

     

    It can't be done.

     

    You have to bend and deal with it.

    If you have a Tag name of Catastrophic, already saved as a tag, and you want to save a new file with the same tag, then type Ca[tab] and Catastrophic will be auto-completed (saved you from typing 10 characters).  If you want a new tag called Cat, then type Cat[delete].

     

    If you have Tag names that you don't want (or, as you call it gibberish), then go to Finder->Preferences->Tags, right-cllick and delete them

     

    If you are experiencing any other behavior, then your problem is not auto-complete, and I suggest you re-install OS X (and switch to decaf)

  • by HappyTexas,

    HappyTexas HappyTexas May 12, 2014 2:34 PM in response to Tony T1
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    May 12, 2014 2:34 PM in response to Tony T1

    Tony, thank you for pretending to be somewhat civil this time but you're still missing the point.  I just asked if the auto-complete feature could be turned off.  It's become clear as polished glass that it cannot be turned off.  That it is a programming flaw that I hope will be corrected someday soon.  All your [...] suggestions hearken back to the cumbersome old days of DOS.  I'm happy to have evolved from that.  I do not want to go back there.  I just want to -- someday! -- turn off the auto-complete tag headache and archive my files as effortlessly and as efficiently as I used to do before the Mavericks retrograde came into my life.

  • by Tony T1,

    Tony T1 Tony T1 May 12, 2014 3:22 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 12, 2014 3:22 PM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

     

    Tony, thank you for pretending to be somewhat civil this time but you're still missing the point.  I just asked if the auto-complete feature could be turned off. 

     

    Yes, and you ask, and ask, and ask.

    Can't be done

    ...but, feel free to ask again

  • by keriah,

    keriah keriah May 12, 2014 6:04 PM in response to Csound1
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    May 12, 2014 6:04 PM in response to Csound1

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    How are you trying to insert the screnshot?

    I was following the steps outlined in one of the User Tips:

    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-6591

    and was getting an error (some form of "not authorized").  (And, yes, I was logged in using this Apple ID.)

     

    However, I just repeated the steps in another discussion reply and (of course!) it worked.  So,... ???

     

    But thanks for the reply.  I was ready to cry for help!!

  • by keriah,

    keriah keriah May 12, 2014 6:54 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 12, 2014 6:54 PM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

     

    Before Mavericks, the word "tags" was "keywords."  Except for the auto-fill and auto-save features, I don't think there's any difference between the two.

    (looking only at Pages for the moment)

     

    What version of Pages are you running on Mavericks? -- Is it Pages 4 (Pages '09) or the newer (and lesser) Pages 5?  If you are using Pages 5 (which I've not loaded since it has lost some features) please understand that what I'll be saying here is in terms of Pages 4.  (It sounds like the Apple folks may have updated you to Pages 5 as part of the Big Fix -- and, if that's the case, you will need to confirm that Pages 5 works basically the same as what I'm describing for Keywords and Tags.)

     

    I have Pages 4 running under Snow Leopard on my Mini.  I created a one-sentence test document and gave it a keyword "catamaran" (Inspector -> Document Inspector -> Info), like this:

    Screen Shot 2014-05-12 at 6.30.32 PM.png

    Of course, since this is not on Mavericks, I cannot give it any Tag value.

     

    Then I opened the file on my MBAir (which is running Mavericks).  And there I still see the keyword value (as above) via the Pages Inspector.  Also, when I click the "Show File Info" (button at the bottom of the screenshot above), I can see/enter Tag values. 

     

    There I gave it a Tag value of "dogamaran".  This screenshot shows that (new) Tag value, and also the Keyword value of "catamaran". 

     

    Screen Shot 2014-05-12 at 6.33.50 PM.png

     

    So, no, keywords (local to Pages) and tag values (Finder-wide) are not the same.  Keywords are what they have been in previous version of the OS; Tags are new to Mavericks.  Both do, however, return hits in a Spotlight search.

     

    As a worst-case scenario it looks like you could just not type ANYTHING into the Tags area on a save and continue to use Keyword values as you have for these many years.

     

    HappyTexas wrote:

    I've been archiving files with "keywords" for years....

    Out of curiosity, what do keywords have to do with archiving a file?  Do you mean that you've been assigning keywords to a file (for example, like above, in Pages) and then filing that document (file) into structures of folders on your system -- and using the Keywords in a Spotlight Search to find the files at a later time?  If not that, I don't understand how the assigned keyword(s) help direct a file to a storage (archive) area on your computer at the time the Save is done.

  • by keriah,

    keriah keriah May 12, 2014 7:41 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 12, 2014 7:41 PM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

    The gibberish, Keriah, is created when I try to type the tag I want to use but Mavericks fills in the useless tags it chose to create and store previously on my computer.

    And here is where I am unable to replicate what you are describing, so let's take this step by step and you can tell me where you are seeing a different result on your system.

     

    HappyTexas wrote:

    Example?  I begin to type c-a-t and Mavericks jumps in with some junk it stored previously (let's say it stored cattarh).  Now my c-a-t for cattamaran becomes catcattarh plus it adds any other cattarmaran letters I've typed while it invaded my workspace.  Now catamaran becomes something like catcattarhrnc.  It may throw other gibberish its stored into the tag, too, so my tag is a useless hybrid of what I tried to type plus all the junk Mavericks insists I use.

    So, before I began to follow your example, I forced a number of "c" tag values onto my list, like this:

    Screen Shot 2014-05-12 at 7.06.22 PM.png

    Next, I began a save of my test document (naming it Test03):

    Screen Shot 2014-05-12 at 7.09.23 PM.png

    And moving into the Tags area, which brings up a partial list of my current Tag values:

    Screen Shot 2014-05-12 at 7.10.00 PM.png

     

     

    (I recall you said you are a fast typer but for this test please type slowly, one letter at a time and then notice what changes on your screen, so that we can compare results.)  I type "c" and get this.  The offered list of choices is now shorter -- only those beginning with "c".  And, yes, the first item ("cable") is being suggested but I'm going to ignore that for now.

    Screen Shot 2014-05-12 at 7.10.27 PM.png

    Next, I type a single "a" and the list is shorter still -- only those beginning with "ca" are presented.

    Screen Shot 2014-05-12 at 7.10.48 PM.png

    Next, I type a single "t" and only 4 items are offered:

    Screen Shot 2014-05-12 at 7.11.09 PM.png

    And typing a single "a" gets this:

    Screen Shot 2014-05-12 at 7.11.23 PM.png

    I can, at this point, accept one of the two, ignore the offerings and simply finish typing "catamaran", or (if I intend a new value) type that, like this:

    Screen Shot 2014-05-12 at 7.12.58 PM.png

    Nowhere in this typing exercise did I find anything inserted into my typing path.  So I do not understand what you're doing that gets you: "my c-a-t for cattamaran becomes catcattarh plus it adds any other cattarmaran letters I've typed while it invaded my workspace".

     

    Can you point out, in the series of steps above, where your system's behavior deviates from my screenshot series?  (Or, better still, can you replicate steps like this on your system and capture screenshots of the inserted text??)

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 May 13, 2014 12:28 AM in response to keriah
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    May 13, 2014 12:28 AM in response to keriah

    keriah wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    How are you trying to insert the screnshot?

    I was following the steps outlined in one of the User Tips:

    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-6591

    and was getting an error (some form of "not authorized").  (And, yes, I was logged in using this Apple ID.)

     

    However, I just repeated the steps in another discussion reply and (of course!) it worked.  So,... ???

     

    But thanks for the reply.  I was ready to cry for help!!

     

    There were some posting issues for a while yesterday, you probably hit that.

  • by HappyTexas,

    HappyTexas HappyTexas May 13, 2014 8:20 AM in response to keriah
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    May 13, 2014 8:20 AM in response to keriah

    Thank you once again, keriah, for you exhaustive research but I'm content with the reality that Mavericks really screwed up so many simple procedures that it's just a waste of time to try to use my computer as effectively as I used it before.

     

    I use Pages 4.0.5 but I'm getting constantly bombarded with the demand to upgrade to the next level.  Glad you mention it's of lesser value.  I was leery of it anyway, due to its association with Mavericks, so I've resisted.  Nevertheless, it continues to pop up on my computer, creating another opportunity for retrograde, slower operations than before Mavericks.

     

    I will never go through the gyrations you describe above just to save a file.  For decades, saving a file has been a simple, quick no-brainer.  I'm just not going to open so many windows just to save a document.  That's just absurd.

     

    Thank you once again for your exhaustive research and your voice of calm in this string of hostility.  I'm just going to accept my computer has diminished value since Mavericks and pray they will someday come to their senses in Cupertino and restore what worked while continuing to improve where improvement is warranted.  It's so sad and shameful how Mavericks is making PCs more attractive with every "upgrade."

  • by Tony T1,

    Tony T1 Tony T1 May 13, 2014 8:47 AM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 13, 2014 8:47 AM in response to HappyTexas

    I'm just going to accept my computer has diminished value since Mavericks...

     

    OS X Mavericks: Revert to a previous OS X version

  • by keriah,

    keriah keriah May 13, 2014 12:01 PM in response to HappyTexas
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    May 13, 2014 12:01 PM in response to HappyTexas

    HappyTexas wrote:

    ...I will never go through the gyrations you describe above just to save a file.  For decades, saving a file has been a simple, quick no-brainer.  I'm just not going to open so many windows just to save a document. 

    Can you please clarify what you mean here?  I only showed a SINGLE window, which was used to save a file.  It's the standard "Save" (Save As) window, like this:

    Screen Shot 2014-05-13 at 11.55.51 AM.png

     

    Are you using some other Save process?

  • by Tony T1,

    Tony T1 Tony T1 May 13, 2014 12:32 PM in response to keriah
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    May 13, 2014 12:32 PM in response to keriah

    OP only wants the ability to turn off auto-complete (which is not possible)

  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) May 13, 2014 12:43 PM in response to Tony T1
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    May 13, 2014 12:43 PM in response to Tony T1

    Well someone proved it works "exactly as it says on the tin".

     

    It does not do what Lables did  (and he's been in that thread https://discussions.apple.com/message/25773660#25773660)

     

     

     

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