daikambu65

Q: How are plug-in changes recorded?

I use NIK as a plugin. If I make adjustments through NIK, what is the format of the modified file? I expected to see TIFF files in my List View roster. All I see are NEFs (that's Nikon Raw).

Aperture 3, OS X Mavericks (10.9.1), running an iMac

Posted on May 16, 2014 3:12 PM

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  • by Kirby Krieger,

    Kirby Krieger Kirby Krieger May 17, 2014 7:02 PM in response to daikambu65
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    May 17, 2014 7:02 PM in response to daikambu65

    daikambu65 wrote:

     

    Thinking ahead to a solution, I just restarted Aperture with the Option & Command keys held down. I rebult the database and fixed the permissions. Nothing seems to have changed. So, what's next.

     

    Try with a new Library.  Then try with after logging in under a different user account.

  • by daikambu65,

    daikambu65 daikambu65 May 17, 2014 9:24 PM in response to Kirby Krieger
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    May 17, 2014 9:24 PM in response to Kirby Krieger

    Over the past 90 minutes, I tried to create a new library. But the instructions for new libraries in the AP User Guide telll you how to make one. But say nothing about transferring your projects from the old library to new. They bring up the subject of mergin libraries, but that doesn't seem quite right because they dwell on computer A and computer B and merging those two.

     

    How does a person drag or copy contents of one library to another? If that is indeed what I want to do.

     

    I don't understand about logging in and user accounts. Do those terms refer to Mac processes or Aperture ones?

     

    I'm dealing with a Library nearly 70Gb in size. So actions are slow.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie May 18, 2014 12:04 AM in response to daikambu65
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    May 18, 2014 12:04 AM in response to daikambu65

     

    Over the past 90 minutes, I tried to create a new library. But the instructions for new libraries in the AP User Guide telll you how to make one. But say nothing about transferring your projects from the old library to new.

    The test Kirby suggested are meant to help to diagnose possible problems.

     

    • Test with a new library: This test will check, if something in your current library (database files, image files, videos) is causing the problem. Create a new test library and import new test photos, not photos from your old library. Yust read a few raw files from your card.
    • Test with a new account: This will tell us, if settings in your current user account (preference files, Aperture preset files) are causing this problem. See this document for background reading:
               Isolating an issue by using another user account http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4053
      Scroll down to the paragraph:  How to troubleshoot OS X user accounts

      You can create a new user account from the "Users&Groups" Preference panel: See OS X Mavericks: Set up users on your Mac http://support.apple.com/kb/PH14411
    • Just create a new Aperture user library in that account with a few RAW files and test.  Don't change any preference - the idea is to keep everything on default settings.

     

    Then tell us, what you found out. 

    BTW, merging Aperture libraries is described in this support document:
      Aperture 3.3: How to use Aperture to merge iPhoto libraries

     


  • by daikambu65,

    daikambu65 daikambu65 May 18, 2014 12:20 PM in response to léonie
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    May 18, 2014 12:20 PM in response to léonie

    The New Library method didn't have this same problem.

     

    The New User Account also elimitated it.

     

    This may sound childish, but I think the difficulty I faced was tied to one project. When I pulled up the List View in older projects (in my old Library) all the data I wanted was there.

     

    And along the way, i also  saw that little checkbox in Preferences that allows you to stack edits made by an External editor. Never noticed that before.

     

    Since first learning the MAC GUI interface in the '80s I have like it and been comfortable. But to tell the truth, some of Apples own Applications remind me of my teenager's room. A bit messy. Things are tossed around, here and there, with quircky structure. Oddities here and there. Starting with Aperture calling the basic unit a PROJECT instead of a Shoot. Why are things on the left, when a few should be on the right. That sort of thing,

     

    Thanks for all your patient advice.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie May 18, 2014 1:27 PM in response to daikambu65
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    May 18, 2014 1:27 PM in response to daikambu65

    You're welcome. 

     

    Great, that you could find the problematic project after following Kirby's suggestion.

  • by daikambu65,

    daikambu65 daikambu65 May 19, 2014 9:57 AM in response to léonie
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    May 19, 2014 9:57 AM in response to léonie

    NIK just replied to my query. This is certainly a surprise.

     

    Thank you for contacting Nik by Google, I hope you're having a great day! When editing an image in Aperture, the image will not be saved until you export the image. Please click on File > Export to save the edits that you have performed. Once you export the image, it will contain the edits that you've created.

     

    That should be included in any forthcoming  Aperture documentation. Unless it is already in there and I overlooked it.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie May 19, 2014 10:15 AM in response to daikambu65
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    May 19, 2014 10:15 AM in response to daikambu65

    Please click on File > Export to save the edits that you have performed. Once you export the image, it will contain the edits that you've created.

    That should be included in any forthcoming  Aperture documentation. Unless it is already in there and I overlooked it.

    Surprising indeed! Are you sure, that the Support team understood your question?

     

    Or have you been asking about Export plug-ins? I thought, we were discussing Edit plug-ins. With Edit plug-ins you should be seeing a thumbnail of the edited image in Aperture's  browser, after you save the edits in the plug-in.

  • by Kirby Krieger,

    Kirby Krieger Kirby Krieger May 19, 2014 10:21 AM in response to daikambu65
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    May 19, 2014 10:21 AM in response to daikambu65

    I am seeing what Léonie describes.

    I click "Save" using any Nik plug-in and the plug-in closes and the edits show up in the Image in Aperture

    Moreover, the edit plug-in has no menu (unless I mis-remember).

     

    Sent from miPhone.

  • by daikambu65,

    daikambu65 daikambu65 May 19, 2014 10:28 AM in response to léonie
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    May 19, 2014 10:28 AM in response to léonie

    Yes. I ennumerated the steps I took, along with the odd or missing results. As far as my actions in Aperture, I start with a RAW image, choose Edit with Plug-in. Then use the NIK edit tools to make a change. Then hit SAVE.

     

    I explained to NIK just what I posted here. I would look at the List View of my files, and the NIK edited file didn't show the dot within a circle badge. Nor did it get renderred in TIFF format.

     

    As I learned through experiment, this problem was confined to one project only. Others with NIK edits were OK. Furthermore, I think fixing the permissions and rebulding the database in AP dealt the problem on my computer. But if I understand the remarks from NIK corrrectly, the edits aren't 'baked' into the new Version until Export. Does that sound right?

  • by daikambu65,

    daikambu65 daikambu65 May 20, 2014 9:21 AM in response to daikambu65
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    May 20, 2014 9:21 AM in response to daikambu65

    Addendum. RAM prices have decreased in the United States, so yesterday I added 8Gb of RAM  for a total of 16Gb. Startup time for the Aperture application seems to be 25% faster. Adjustments in AP and NIK processes seem to be 50% faster. These are casual obervations using a wristwatch. More RAM is nice.

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