Phil2003

Q: External monitor = blurry fonts

Hi,

 

Im quite satisfied with my first OSX product, a macbook pro 13". But i want to use it mainly with my 27" external Samsung LCD, which is

quite frustrating as the fonts are totaly blurry compared to Win7.

 

Things of interest:

 

Macbook Pro 13" Mid 2012

OSX = Montain Lion 10.8.2

Adapter: Official Apple Adapter mini-dvi -> HDMI

Ext.Monitor resolution: 1920x1080 native

Tried changing the fonts with Tinkertool

Tried changing the font smoothing via System settings and Tinkertool

Tried changing my monitors settings (AV/PC, sharpness, etc)

 

On the macbook everything looks fine.

 

Any hint?

 

Thanks

Phil

MacBook Pro, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2)

Posted on Sep 20, 2012 6:21 AM

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  • by mdmdiv,

    mdmdiv mdmdiv Mar 20, 2013 5:38 AM in response to aron77
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    Mar 20, 2013 5:38 AM in response to aron77

    Thank you for the ireckon link. It worked for me using a ViewSonic external monitor.

     

    HOWEVER......THERE IS ONE ADDITIONAL STEP

     

    Be SURE that your external monitor's input is set to "PC" rather than "AV".  I am using a thuderbolt to HDMI adaptor to connect to my monitor's HDMI input. The default setting for this is "AV" by which I think treats the signal as a TV 1080p resolution rather than a monitor 1920x 1080.  Even after forcing the MAC to send a RGB signal, the text remained blurry until I switched the input to PC.

     

    Also, make sure that the monitor display is set to RGB rather than YUV mode (TV mode).

     

    Hope that helps somebody.

     

    And again, the question remains: Why does Apple Central make it so difficult to play nicely in the sandbox with non-Apple products....... 

  • by mdmdiv,

    mdmdiv mdmdiv Mar 20, 2013 5:39 AM in response to Phil2003
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    Mar 20, 2013 5:39 AM in response to Phil2003

    Thank you for the ireckon link. It worked for me using a ViewSonic external monitor.

     

    HOWEVER......THERE IS ONE ADDITIONAL STEP

     

    Be SURE that your external monitor's input is set to "PC" rather than "AV".  I am using a thuderbolt to HDMI adaptor to connect to my monitor's HDMI input. The default setting for this is "AV" by which I think treats the signal as a TV 1080p resolution rather than a monitor 1920x 1080.  Even after forcing the MAC to send a RGB signal, the text remained blurry until I switched the input to PC.

     

    Also, make sure that the monitor display is set to RGB rather than YUV mode (TV mode).

     

    Hope that helps somebody.

     

    And again, the question remains: Why does Apple Central make it so difficult to play nicely in the sandbox with non-Apple products.......

  • by james154,

    james154 james154 Oct 5, 2013 7:12 AM in response to Phil2003
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    Oct 5, 2013 7:12 AM in response to Phil2003

    ***Update*** In addition to executing

    defaults -currentHost write -globalDomain AppleFontSmoothing -int 2

    The final step for my configuration was "Overscanning". I had to set overscanning to none in the Apple Display preferences then go through the menu settings on my monitor and set overscanning to "off". After the two software and one hardware adjustments the external display is quite crisp and exactly what I would expect from a high dollar external display.

  • by WallabyWeb,

    WallabyWeb WallabyWeb Nov 11, 2013 5:03 PM in response to Phil2003
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    Nov 11, 2013 5:03 PM in response to Phil2003

    Horray! I found a solution.

    I bought the Apple Mini DisplayPort to DVI converter cable adapter instead of using HDMI, and my picture is much more crisp and clear.

     

    My Retina display is still better, but it's a better screen. my HP monitor is now performing to is ability.  For some reason, HDMI must degrade the video quality.

  • by FeatureHog,

    FeatureHog FeatureHog Dec 11, 2013 12:18 PM in response to Phil2003
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    Dec 11, 2013 12:18 PM in response to Phil2003

    I had the same problem extending my desktop to a a good quality monitor and switching the generic HDMI cable with a good quality HDMI to DVI cable by (Pure AV) fixed the issue!

     

    My conclusion:

    Buy a good quality cable & you will be amazed with the difference.

     

    Enjoy!

  • by The King of Limbs,

    The King of Limbs The King of Limbs Dec 11, 2013 12:47 PM in response to FeatureHog
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    Dec 11, 2013 12:47 PM in response to FeatureHog

    Sorry, but I have to disagree. With today's digital communications, one HDMI cable is as good an any other. Paying more might get you better construction, but not signal quality. 

  • by aron77,

    aron77 aron77 Dec 11, 2013 1:03 PM in response to FeatureHog
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    Dec 11, 2013 1:03 PM in response to FeatureHog

    It's not about the cable. It's about OS X thinking whatever is connected through HDMI must be a television set and if it's DVI (even through a HDMI->DVI cable) it must be a computer monitor (resulting into a sharp output in the RGB color space). Now I can somehow understand that (but I really have to try hard), but the fact it treats DisplayPort the same way (unless it's an Apple Cinema Display of course) is not acceptable. At least the workaround still works with Mavericks...

  • by FeatureHog,

    FeatureHog FeatureHog Dec 11, 2013 4:56 PM in response to aron77
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    Dec 11, 2013 4:56 PM in response to aron77

    You must be right. I noticed the monitor was identified by OS & automatically switched to it's color profile.

     

    The color profile that I created previously by calibration still showed more accurate colors & better than the HDMI-to-HDMI cable unless my eyes are deceiving me.

  • by FeatureHog,

    FeatureHog FeatureHog Dec 11, 2013 5:06 PM in response to FeatureHog
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    Dec 11, 2013 5:06 PM in response to FeatureHog

    I didn't know that so I did a quick search. My understanding is quality doesn't matter in most cases however in some cases it will. I think it's worth to think if the cheapest cable was purchased.

     

    If you can elaborate on "better construction" I would appreciate it.

  • by amthenia,

    amthenia amthenia Mar 7, 2014 5:29 AM in response to Phil2003
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    Mar 7, 2014 5:29 AM in response to Phil2003
  • by chrisjclay,

    chrisjclay chrisjclay May 22, 2014 1:24 PM in response to WallabyWeb
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    May 22, 2014 1:24 PM in response to WallabyWeb

    Switching to DVI (using that mini display port -> DVI adapter) worked for me too! Fonts looked terrible when I connected both of my monitors to my new 15" MacBook Pro via HDMI, but when I bought that adapter and used a DVI cable, the problem was solved. First I tried the various other solutions posted in this and other threads (downloading and running a script etc.)

     

    Chris

  • by db386,

    db386 db386 May 23, 2014 3:43 PM in response to Phil2003
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    May 23, 2014 3:43 PM in response to Phil2003

    This problem is mostly not cable related, particularly for me. I am using dual screens into my retina MBP. One is HDMI to thunderbolt and the other is DVI to Thunderbolt. The problem is very noticable fuzzy fonts (very depressing). If I have Windows in Parallels open on either of the monitors then I have absolutely no issues with font rendering. So there's definitely an issue with the OS X setup. (Same goes for if I load up Linux in the VM, fonts look great)

     

    If you're using an HDMI connection to a monitor then that HDMI fix for using RGB and telling OS X the monitor is a PC monitor and not a TV really well but the font issue is only improved on, not fixed.

  • by FeatureHog,

    FeatureHog FeatureHog May 23, 2014 5:19 PM in response to db386
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    May 23, 2014 5:19 PM in response to db386

    Indeede.

  • by The King of Limbs,

    The King of Limbs The King of Limbs May 23, 2014 5:49 PM in response to db386
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    May 23, 2014 5:49 PM in response to db386

    I have the same situation. You described it accurately. I have tried the scripts as well as the fixes posted by Amthenia. OSX fonts are still fuzzy and unacceptable.

     

    I find it very frustrating that Apple hasn't fixed this (and over a year has gone by), yet when I run Windows in Parallels or VMWare's Fusion, the Windows system doesn't have this problem? Weird.

     

    It's hard to believe that in this age of HDMI and Thunderbolt, Apple still has trouble handling external displays. This one is a deal breaker.

  • by Eric Root,

    Eric Root Eric Root May 25, 2014 11:34 AM in response to The King of Limbs
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    May 25, 2014 11:34 AM in response to The King of Limbs

    Send Apple feedback. They won't answer, but at least will know there is a problem. If enough people send feedback, it may get the problem solved sooner.


    Feedback

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