Q: 2011 MacBook Pro and Discrete Graphics Card
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Jun 11, 2014 4:34 AMby Pier11,Evil8Beezle wrote:
I don't disagree at all over the figures, or that the current impact to Apple is small. I'm just saying that unless we try and do something against companies that choose this sort of path, we will all suffer more and more in the future.
Yes we should be realistic, but why accept that we are not going to get anywhere? It's a defeatist attitude!
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Jun 11, 2014 5:19 AMby Evil8Beezle,Pier11 wrote:
Evil8Beezle wrote:
I don't disagree at all over the figures, or that the current impact to Apple is small. I'm just saying that unless we try and do something against companies that choose this sort of path, we will all suffer more and more in the future.
Yes we should be realistic, but why accept that we are not going to get anywhere? It's a defeatist attitude!
If the impact is small then why would Apple care?The impact to affected customers is not small. Yes not all affected customers are going to raise complaints about the issue, and will just bin their defective MBP's. But you are just assuming (and playing with numbers) with regard to affected users. I am talking about POTENTIAL customers and influencing them via national and intertnational coverage. IF it was reported in the main news that Apple have a blatant disregard for it's customers with regards support on a defective product, it affects way more than just the people that have a current problem. It will impact on how Apple is percieved by ALL its potential customers. And with that, ALL peoples choices on whether they buy Apple products, or the competitors products.
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Jun 11, 2014 5:36 AMby Evil8Beezle,kai169 wrote:
So I went back extensions. I downloaded a modified extension AMD6000Controller and AMDRadeonX3000
Where i get this modfied extensions?
There are quite a few different ALLEGED software solutions to this HARDWARE issue! They work for 5 minutes or a day (for one reason or another) but the problem always returns and gets worse.
The poster of this alleged solution is unlikely to post back when it fails again, due to embarrassment!
But give it a try, let us know how you get on (I can't help as I'm a Windows man)
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Jun 11, 2014 7:25 AMby degger,Degger, you are cherry picking information, not looking at a trend.
And now let's keep talking about the 2011 Macbook Pro failing GPU.There's no "trend" -- one of the cherry picks is a just released high end consumer SSD and the others are currently available devices.
I'm just trying to warn people from blindly assuming that changing their HDD to an SSD is going to help with the temperature problem because that assumption can be terribly wrong! In fact I've seen cases where the exact opposite happened...
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Jun 11, 2014 7:35 AMby degger,There are quite a few different ALLEGED software solutions to this HARDWARE issue! They work for 5 minutes or a day (for one reason or another) but the problem always returns and gets worse.
Well, there's a real software solution to this hardware issue namely shutting down the GPU and disonnecting the PCIe. It's not that hard to do (and actually can be done in Linux). However this can be reliably only done by Apple since they own the closed source driver and since they don't admit the hardware problem they'll likely not introduce this change. Also this has the negative consequence of disabling at least the graphics part of the thunderbolt port.
Heck I even think it might be possible to gracefully handle the error in the driver and falling back to the iGPU instead of locking up the system...
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Jun 11, 2014 7:58 AMby degger,But disabling the main graphics power of our MPB's is not a real SOLUTION, it is simply a poor COMPROMISE.
In comparison to the often advocated removal of all graphics drivers (which has far worse sideeffects like also crippling the built-in GPU performance and which may still cause crashes) this seems like a rather good compromise to me (and many users who would simply prefer to continue using their MBP, even with slower graphics rather then having an expensive paperweight). Also that would allow for some leeway in deciding when or if to "fix" it, rather than just breaking right away -- the thing I'm most terrified about is that the failure may happen anytime again, even at a customers site in a foreign country barring me from doing any work. However I'm not willing to give in yet and replace my 17" anti-glare MBP by an (IMNSHO inferior) Retina version...
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Jun 11, 2014 8:45 AMby akamyself,degger wrote:
There are quite a few different ALLEGED software solutions to this HARDWARE issue! They work for 5 minutes or a day (for one reason or another) but the problem always returns and gets worse.
Well, there's a real software solution to this hardware issue namely shutting down the GPU and disonnecting the PCIe. It's not that hard to do (and actually can be done in Linux). However this can be reliably only done by Apple since they own the closed source driver and since they don't admit the hardware problem they'll likely not introduce this change. Also this has the negative consequence of disabling at least the graphics part of the thunderbolt port.
Heck I even think it might be possible to gracefully handle the error in the driver and falling back to the iGPU instead of locking up the system...
that would indeed have the great advantage to have a stable and working computer that can be restarted in the meantime!
I have installed a linux system for a lot of reasons since these graphic problems with discret card disabled, never had a problem to start and no crash when using the OS so far.
was wondering why this seemed impossible with OSX, are you sure about that?
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Jun 11, 2014 9:13 AMby Evil8Beezle,I know you guys don't want to hear this, and will probably cryout in disgust!
But I have no issues booting my MBP under Windows, as it doesn't seem to need to use the AMD GPU during the boot/startup (Must be a Mac OS only thing). And all I had to do to stop it using the AMD GPU at all, was just disable it in the device manager (during my first boot up in safemode) It's pretty simple in Windows...
Also been running like that for a few weeks, can restart whenever I like and not had a crash yet. (Lot bloody quieter as well without the fans going ten to the dozen!) - But I've not tried playing any games (as I don't play em!), or doing anything that hard with it. To be honest I've NEVER worked my 17" MBP that hard, so the advice about not pushing it hard from the Apple Genius's is bull! - It's flawed and it will break, simple as that!
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Jun 11, 2014 10:06 AMby akamyself,Evil8Beezle wrote:
I know you guys don't want to hear this, and will probably cryout in disgust!
But I have no issues booting my MBP under Windows, as it doesn't seem to need to use the AMD GPU during the boot/startup (Must be a Mac OS only thing). And all I had to do to stop it using the AMD GPU at all, was just disable it in the device manager (during my first boot up in safemode) It's pretty simple in Windows...
Also been running like that for a few weeks, can restart whenever I like and not had a crash yet. (Lot bloody quieter as well without the fans going ten to the dozen!) - But I've not tried playing any games (as I don't play em!), or doing anything that hard with it. To be honest I've NEVER worked my 17" MBP that hard, so the advice about not pushing it hard from the Apple Genius's is bull! - It's flawed and it will break, simple as that!
well, no surprise if you can disable the discret card in windows like it can be done with linux, then it starts fine.
now as degger seems to know for a fact, this can not be done with mac OS and since it seems to randomly switch between one card to another at start up no matter what your settings are when the system is loaded and configured, well sometimes is starts ok, most of the times not.
but as benedictros is saying, seems like some like us can at least choose another system to start on so the damage is probably not as bad as some others and in their case they probably can't even install a linux or windows partition to use their MBP which is better than nothing, IMO.
