herbert17

Q: How to get label colors back on Maverick?

I realize "tabs" took it's place but all my business files are predicated on a carefully organized color file system. This was an awful decision for some of us. Any new apps to fill the void?

 

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iMac (21.5-inch, Late 2012), iOS 7.0.3, OS is Mavericks not 7.0.3

Posted on Oct 29, 2013 1:43 PM

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Q: How to get label colors back on Maverick?

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  • by Doug-H1955,

    Doug-H1955 Doug-H1955 Jun 13, 2014 11:07 PM in response to Csound1
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    Jun 13, 2014 11:07 PM in response to Csound1

    Just think how much better and more flexible the system would be if they had BOTH Tags AND Colored Labels. Then you could benefit from all the Tags you like and we would benefit from our Colored Labels.

     

    And, if it were a real issue, ideally we should each be able to opt into the system we prefer.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jun 13, 2014 11:10 PM in response to Doug-H1955
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    Jun 13, 2014 11:10 PM in response to Doug-H1955

    Doug-H1955 wrote:

     

    Just think how much better and more flexible the system would be if they had BOTH Tags AND Colored Labels. Then you could benefit from all the Tags you like and we would benefit from our Colored Labels.

    That would be the best compromise.

  • by Tracy E,

    Tracy E Tracy E Jun 13, 2014 11:15 PM in response to Doug-H1955
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    Jun 13, 2014 11:15 PM in response to Doug-H1955

    Just think how much better and more flexible the system would be if they had BOTH Tags AND Colored Labels. Then you could benefit from all the Tags you like and we would benefit from our Colored Labels.

    Doug,

     

    I am using both thanks to XtraFinder.

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  • by stassi,

    stassi stassi Jun 13, 2014 11:53 PM in response to threesixty
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    Jun 13, 2014 11:53 PM in response to threesixty

    REALLY well-stated, threesixty! Despite a background in psychology, cognitive development, and learning, I had not deconstructed the issue as fully as you - I'm impressed with your insights, and would not have been able to state it more eloquently. I, like many others, have been using XtraFinder for this. I own TotalFinder, and still prefer the broadness of controls I get with XtraFinder. TotalFinder has a "prettier" implementation of the labels, and a simpler interface, but the detail in the XtraFinder settings have let me live with the blockier implementation of the color label feature. My 2 cents...

  • by threesixty,

    threesixty threesixty Jun 14, 2014 12:22 AM in response to Csound1
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    Jun 14, 2014 12:22 AM in response to Csound1

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    I assume that you have given Apple the benefit of your feedback and your preferences.

     

    Indeed I have. : )

     

    But I should note that I really have no beef with the features or functionality of Tags, so I'm not surprised there are people like yourself that find benefit.

     

    I was just answerng a question as to why many users find Tags so frustrating.

     

    They're experiencing real slow down in their work as a result of the design implementation..

     

    I'm sure they'd love the functionality if they could keep scannability.

     

    =8-)

  • by Barby Gale,

    Barby Gale Barby Gale Jun 14, 2014 12:52 AM in response to threesixty
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    Jun 14, 2014 12:52 AM in response to threesixty

    Thanks Threesixty for doing a breakdown of what is wrong with the tags.  I find that Xtrafinder has enabled me to regain my bearings after having been flung into outer space with those ridiculous tags.  I mean, really.  And they actually pay these people to design this stuff???

     

    Aside from the label loss, my Imac has never worked right since I upgraded to Mavericks.  It runs at half speed, the searches are full of files recreated by the upgrade (I guess...) that have doubled the volume of files I have by duplicating or triplicating every file.  What's with the "@0" that is added to all these files before the extension--does anyone know?  Sorry, not part of the tag discussion but just one of many issues I have with mavericks.

     

    Thanks again to all of you who have contributed to the tag/label issue.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jun 14, 2014 1:02 AM in response to threesixty
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    Jun 14, 2014 1:02 AM in response to threesixty

    Both would be fine, I never used the labels so whether they come back or not does not affect me. The tag system however is very useful so I would be against any reduction in functionality there.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Jun 14, 2014 5:40 AM in response to Barby Gale
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    Jun 14, 2014 5:40 AM in response to Barby Gale

    Same. I use the tags, but never used the cumbersome coloured lables. Luckily third party developers are picking up the requirement for those who still need them. Anyone who came to Apple recently and from now on will never even have known of the old coloured labels. That is Apple's future market. Not those living in the past, unfortunately.

  • by johngoodman6,

    johngoodman6 johngoodman6 Jun 14, 2014 5:59 AM in response to Csound1
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    Jun 14, 2014 5:59 AM in response to Csound1

    I agree with Barby Gale - my iMac slowed to a crawl when I upgraded it to Mavericks, and then, finally crashed the hard drive. The Apple store said I needed a new internal hard drive, but I hooked up an external Thunderbolt hard drive, and recovered the backup. After doing a Disk Utility repair of the internal drive, it worked just fine - so much for the Genius Bar....

     

    I wanted Labels back, so I got a little creative, and bought a $20 license for Mountain Lion. I created a USB boot disk with it, and did a clean install of Mountain Lion on the original internal drive. I re-installed some of the software with CDs, using the Apple external USB disc drive. The big problem was photos - Mavericks modified them so they can't go backwards. The Time Machine would not let me recover the old backups before Mavericks, even though they were there. Luckily, I have been keeping my MacBook Pro, with Snow Leopard (the last good OS), updated, so I was able to port them in. I'm almost back to normal - it was worth all the pain and suffering to get rid of Mavericks, and get the Labels that I wanted.

     

    It's obvious to me that Apple no longer cares about the average customer. In the old days, they would leave a feature in, so you could decide which feature you preferred. Not any more. Just watch, Yosimite will probably be indistinguishable from an iPad....

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Jun 14, 2014 6:08 AM in response to johngoodman6
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    Jun 14, 2014 6:08 AM in response to johngoodman6

    Then reinstall the backup you made before you chose to install mavericks. Then you can go back to what made you happy and let the many millions of Mavericks sees get on with what they enjoy using. You did make a backup didn't you?

     

    Pete

  • by tmcdanel,

    tmcdanel tmcdanel Jun 14, 2014 8:51 AM in response to threesixty
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    Jun 14, 2014 8:51 AM in response to threesixty

    I agree with Stassi, in that your analysis was insightful and captured my experience eloquently. It makes me wonder if my third grade teacher was right, that i really am lazy. That human beings prefer for strategies that reduce cognitive processing in terms of time and energy, when the neural activity seems so "physiological cheap" compared to the physical work we do, seems surprisingly true to me. We do want to turn on a few extra brain cells if we can avoid it.

     

    I think your tool category of skimming and scanning tools is very helpful in understanding interfaces. I always thot of tags as falling into a category i would call search tools. Evidence is in the names, tags for searching and labels for scanning. It seems as tho the Apple developers confused the two categories in a particularly ineloquently way. The tags dont work well for searching because their context cannot be confined. For example, when the Spotlight field is used at the top of a Finder window, one is given the choice of confining the context of the search to the particular folder the window views, the whole computer system, the drive... However the Tags implementation is constantly in all system mode, which is especially not useful for the users who are attempting to them for a skimming and scanning task. I think this later partially explains the broad negative reaction on these threads. Skimming, by nature, needs to be in a context.

     

    I sympathize with all the respondents here who have asked the question of "why not both" tools, separately implemented? Why thro out the baby with the bath? I cannot imagine Apple developers actually responding to users, the evidence in these forums is that they have gone way too corporate for that (negative feedback must be couched in elaborate phrasing or it is rapidly deleted by moderators), but i have never even seen speculation by coders as to the design choice.

  • by stassi,

    stassi stassi Jun 14, 2014 11:56 AM in response to petermac87
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    Jun 14, 2014 11:56 AM in response to petermac87

    Y'know, it's so easy to tell people to go back to their previous version's backup. I not only have a backup, but I installed Mavericks on a fresh drive and KEPT the old drive - All I'd have to do is pop it in, and I'd be back to my old Snow Leopard and happy as a clam - EXCEPT!

     

    I noticed some parts of Mavericks that I hated right off the bat - and, because I knew I needed to live with inevitable progress, I decided I'd have to live with it, or find work-arounds (eg: XtraFinder). As time went by, over weeks and months of use, I too noticed the system slowing, the background energy saving nap that slows me down every time I try to open something new up COMPLETELY unnecessary on my powered Tower - I do not need to conserve battery), and other changes that made Mavericks the first Mac OS for which I've actually felt true animosity (and I've been using Mac OS since 6.0.7). Learning how I feel about Mavericks in full, too time, and I realized that I really do hate using this OS.

     

    Unfortunately, within the first week after having switched, I'd already received hundreds of emails, which were all brought into the new Mail format - which can't be back-converted. I'd have had to re-download and reorganize weeks of emails when I first thought of stepping backwards on the OS. I'd also imported tons of photos into iPhoto (which is not my primary photo library, but I use it for backup and part of my organization). Although almost everything else would be in place (apps not yet upgraded, etc), the amount of time and labor for stepping backward is, at the very least, incredibly daunting due to just these issues (especially since my mail server deletes old emails at 30 days.

     

    So, despite diligent backup, many of us can't take advantage of the snarky response to simply reinstall from backup. We have to work to get developers to maybe help with the issues Apple will never re-implement (have they EVER?), and then BUG Apple to try to make Mavericks more responsive, more controllable (for people who don't necessarily want to or know how to use Terminal (many of my clients and students) to control every little thing. I love Apple. I love that their stock will help me to retire one day, I SO prefer it to the other OS's for support and maintenance. But I do hate 10.9, and I do need a more responsive, more powerful computer - with choices and options. I do NOT need a bigger iPad.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jun 14, 2014 12:16 PM in response to stassi
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    Jun 14, 2014 12:16 PM in response to stassi
    We have to work to get developers to maybe help with the issues Apple will never re-implement (have they EVER?)

     

    Yes, the last time was the restoration of USB synchronization for IOS devices via iTunes in Mavericks, 6 weeks ago, before that it was Save As, removed in Lion, replaced in Mountain Lion

     

    Need more?

  • by stassi,

    stassi stassi Jun 14, 2014 2:22 PM in response to Csound1
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    Jun 14, 2014 2:22 PM in response to Csound1

    Nice points, Csound1. I'd forgotten that it took a mountain of requests and a lot of time to get those implemented. Sometimes, I guess patience does have it's virtues - if you live long enough.

     

    So, maybe those requests we're making of Apple aren't falling on deaf ears. I certainly hope not. Although, I'd love to see them implemented sooner, rather than later. I'd love to no longer be frustrated by the Mac OS, and be able to go back to touting it as the best thing ever.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Jun 14, 2014 2:26 PM in response to stassi
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    Jun 14, 2014 2:26 PM in response to stassi

    I doubt you will much more happen with Mavericks other than security updates and maybe a bug fix, seeing that Yosemite is getting closer to release. But keep giving feedback. Who knows what Apple will do? Certainly none of us know.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

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