Q: How to get label colors back on Maverick?

As pointed out elsewhere, the problem is twofold:

- The iOS interface is RUINING the Mac interface. They should have different interfaces.

- Functionality should be above appearance, and not the other way round both for software and also for hardware.

Apple should understand the basic rules. And last but not least, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Hopefully, Apple will listen.

ApMaX wrote:

 

As pointed out elsewhere, the problem is twofold:

 

- The iOS interface is RUINING the Mac interface. They should have different interfaces.

- Functionality should be above appearance, and not the other way round both for software and also for hardware.

 

Apple should understand the basic rules. And last but not least, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

 

Hopefully, Apple will listen.

Yes it's been said a million times, but nothing anyone here can do about it. Give feedback

to Apple. No sign of te function returning in the exciting next release - Yosemite and as I said,  would doubt Apple will change anything now in Mavericks. If the iOS appearance is annoying you, then return to Snow Leopard as the future does not look bright for you.

Steve Jobs said it best when he observed ‘If you are not willing to cannibalise your own business, someone else will.’ This is certainly the case where brands and businesses need to let go what has been safe, predictable and successful in the past in order to embrace the future.

Cheers

Pete

I agree with ApMax. iOS should be completely separate from the Mac - they're different machines for different purposes. I'm not only referring to interface, but functionality. Can you imagine a Mac interface in which you have no separate storage locations (read: folders), but have to save documents into a space that only one app can access (read: Documents2 on iDevices)?

Windows made the mistake of trying to make their OS a tablet interface with Windows 8, and the backlash on that interface was dramatic.

I'm fine with the addition of new concepts and ideas. I've managed to live with a lot of other interferences with functionality over the years, for the benefit of a faster, stronger OS. I'm not finding this faster - I'm not finding this stronger or more functional in almost any area (with the exception of liking the dual monitor functionality and some part of the new memory management scheme). I have an iPad mini. I love it. I have an iPhone, and I love it too. But, I have a Mac Tower for serious work - and I want it to BE for serious work.

I also agree that at times you have to "cannibalise" parts of your business - but not your long-standing user base.

What they're doing to the OS is turning off a lot of long-time users - some of my friends have already made the switch back to the far inferior Windows - because a basic computer is still cheaper to buy, and they know nothing about the back end - only the annoyance of how their work has been affected. It reminds me of my video editing friends, when FinalCutPro X was first released - without the "Pro" functionality. LOTS of them turned to Avid and Premiere back then...

I don't want to see Apple lose that market share in order to obtain new and fickle users....

Thanks Stassi for everything you have said.  Before reading this particular post, I had thought that a lot of things would work themselves out, or my lack of expertise was somehow to blame for my dissatisfaction. As a non-techie I don't understand very much about the mechanics but I do know what my experience with Mavericks has been, and you said it perfectly:  "....Learning how I feel about Mavericks in full, took time, and I realized that I really do hate using this OS." 

My love-affair with my Mac feels like an old relationship that is fading away, but you still want to hold onto it thinking it will revive itself somehow. Hopefully Apple people are attempting to recover past glories of previous operating systems...and I'd like to think there is an alternative out there I could purchase and move on from Macs, but there isn't.  So what is their incentive to make it better?  I'd like to think integrity and loyalty to making the product the best it could be enters into the mix somewhere. How do they make amends when they have so incompetently damaged the essential 'being' of the product that everyone is now using? 

stassi wrote:

 

I also agree that at times you have to "cannibalise" parts of your business - but not your long-standing user base.

 

What they're doing to the OS is turning off a lot of long-time users

 

I don't want to see Apple lose that market share in order to obtain new and fickle users....

If Apple catered to only long time users and not future buyers, they would probably be broke. Old users die quicker and that is not much of a business model, is it? Modern technology and modern business needs require more than some pretty colours to put over file names. Telling younger buyers, who are the majority of Apple customers, that they need 'to do things the old way' sounds like a grumpy old Grandpa complaining about current music. As mentioned a million times, you can tell Apple at their feedback

site, but noone here can get it changed for you. It has now just become a thread to air your displeasure and have a rant.

Keep giving feedback at the correct place if you think they will listen.

Good luck

Pete

Y'know, Petermac7, funny you should mention how irrelevant my comments were, RIGHT after Barby Gale showed her appreciation and commiserated with what I wrote. I find it amusing that you feel the need to call me out for commenting on my dissatisfaction (nobody else, mind you - just me), as that is, what I believe this whole thread is about - people dissatisfied with a specific aspect of the Mavericks OS. BTW - please notice that Barby's comment was also liked on here by someone else.

I know there are several forums on which I could state each individual satisfaction, but on this thread, other than your judgemental, smug responses, I have found that others commiserate with my feelings about what Apple is doing to the OS, and our experience. Perhaps you're thrilled with the changes being made - and if that's the case, perhaps YOU are the one who should find some other place to post.

I feel that not only did I post in the "correct place", but that I got responses from others who support how I feel about the way the OS is being handled. I'm not some old grumpy Grandpa complaining about the state of "those young'uns. I'm a Macintosh technician and software teacher. I have clients who live in the real world. I have students who want to use Pro apps, and not have to jump through hoops to get their media to play. I have clients who've been running their businesses for years, organizing their work based on the way their well-mannered OS has behaved, only to be told to "move on" by people like you who smugly tell them to feel satisfied with the changes as they get them, like it or lump it.

If you're statisfied with the state of the OS, then that's great for you. If you want an iOS OS on your Mac, good for you. But then don't get on a thread on which people are comparing notes, describing how they feel and experessing what they'd like to see, and tell them that they're wrong for doing so. I've filled out lots of feedback forms at Apple. That is NOT what this thread, nor any other thread on this forum is about.

Get over yourself.

stassi wrote:

 

Y'know, Petermac7, funny you should mention how irrelevant my comments were, 

 

Can you please point out where I stated that? Thanks

 

 

That is NOT what this thread, nor any other thread on this forum is about.

 

Get over yourself.

This thread is about the topic, to which I stayed on topic about. As a 'technician' you should know a little about the direction that Computer Technology is heading in, and may find yourself needing to do a refesher course soon with your attitude.

Again, tell Apple and stop repeating what has been written a multitude of other times. From now on you will find Third Party developers will fill the gaps with these old functions for those old users who cannot adapt. Many have been mentioned. Try one of them. Or go back to an older OSX that supports older functions.

Cheers

Pete

Oh, and to Barby Gale - I'm sorry I let petermac87's arrogance get in the way to my response to you.

Thank YOU for commiserating. You are NOT alone - and the thing is - the Mac OS used to be all about you not NEEDING expertise to work with the system. They gave people choices. Those that wanted to "futz" around, could do so, those that didn't want to - didn't have to! When you wanted an option - there was a clear location to turn on or off your choice. We got used to those options - and now we find that we need to find work-arounds because those options were taken away. I do have tons of clients and students who feel the exact same way. We're not all giddy because we have to find the "option" to do a Save As... on a basic program, or find the keyboard shortcut System Preference to enable it ourselves. Or to have to run an extra program to see colors - or any of the other several things about which I have written "Feedback" to Apple.

Your analogy to an old and fading love affair is VERY apt, IMO. And yeah - there's still no OS out there that'll do what we want. We're forced to live with these limitations, or move back to an old OS. Windows really isn't a choice for Mac lovers at all. I use it because I have to. I've used the MacOS because I wanted to.

As petermac87 stated, we're stuck with it. It's highly unlikely Apple will step backwards in any major way, but again, Csound1 did point out yesterday that there HAVE been some re-implementations based on feedback requests.

For me, there are some things with which I can live, and some with which I'll have to LEARN to live. But until someone comes out with as powerful an OS, with an interface I don't have to code, and without the multitude of issues that come with Windows, this seems the only game in town for us.

I do wish they would "make amends" as you said.....

The Finder Plugin "Totalfinder"

has the option of restoring PRE-Mavericks like colours/labels

It also does a bunch of other great things. Great software! Check it out.

http://totalfinder.binaryage.com

Can you please point out where I stated that? Thanks

Sure, I can, petermac87

Keep giving feedback at the correct place if you think they will listen.

According to the feedback my statements received from others on this thread, this is the correct place. MANY people stated problems and issues other than labels/tags throughout this forum, yet you chose to lambast me for doing so. The topics on the Apple forums can be expanded to encompass more than the immediate question, if those additions are relevant to the discussion in a peripheral way. There were several people speaking about Mavericks causing slow-downs to their OS, and other issues peripheral to the general problem of labels/tags.

You dont' want me to repeat what others have said? Even though others were grateful to see that they were not alone in their comments? Your arrogance is very similar to Apple's recent changes. The fact that I can see where technology is heading does not mean that that direction is necessarily a good one for people who aren't petermac87. If you're happy, stick with it and shut up. If we're not happy with it, we have the right to voice that dissatisfaction without reading that we just have to put up and shut up.

As for younger buyers being the majority, I'm curious as to what age you determine "younger". From what I've seen in the Apple stores, from the path that Apple's marketing has taken, and from the statistics, I believe you're a bit off. Granted iDevices are being bought more often by a younger demographic, but purchasers of Mac computers are within a demographic with a higher 'disposable income". That's generally not your 20-somethings. I'm seeking an online version of a print article I read on the subject. When I find it, I'll post it here.

Seems that for the Mac OS, the older buyer maybe should still be the focus. I'm happy either way - my stock is doing okay. Now... as for usability, that's a different story. I can voice my dissatisfaction here, as can others. Read the previous 17 pages - you'll see I'm not the only one who mentioned something other than labels/tags.

Pete,

You can be alot more useful with your intelligent insights about the topic rather than sharing your opinion(judgement) about another Apple users comment.

Please try.

Thanks

stassi wrote:

 

funny you should mention how irrelevant my comments were,

Can you please point out where I stated that? Thanks

Sure, I can, petermac87

Keep giving feedback at the correct place if you think they will listen.

 

Pretty much shows how accurately you read.

The fact that I can see where technology is heading does not mean that that direction is necessarily a good one for people who aren't petermac87

Better than the otdated stuff, as sales are showing.

Seems that for the Mac OS, the older buyer maybe should still be the focus.

Been answered time after time here. Seriously, if people catered to your attitude they would go broke.

17 pages - you'll see I'm not the only one who mentioned something other than labels/tags.

That's is all the proof Apple will need to change back.  But whereabouts are the other many many millions of other Mavericks users posting their disproval? As I said, this thread is now mearly an old thread for ranters like yourself to try to justify your inability to use newer OSs or third party programs which have been developed for people like you. But from your aggressive and misconceived rants so far, I doubt you will ever see that. But looks like you have one friend here who agrees with you, so team up. That should convince Apple to go back to the 90's for you.

Best of Luck

Pete

PackDesign wrote:

 

Pete,

 

You can be alot more useful with your intelligent insights about the topic rather than sharing your opinion(judgement) about another Apple users comment.

 

Please try.

 

Thanks

Please do not tell others where and what to post. These are technical forums, not facebook or twitter.

Thanks

pete

Thank you Stassi. You stated it all very well.  And thanks to all who expressed their feelings on the failure of Mavericks.

I've been with Apple since 1984. I've boasted, introduced and convinced many, many people thru the years that the Apple platform was the only way 2go. The good news is I have been able to prevent others from upgrading to this OS. The bad news, I am stuck since it came with my replacement iMac. There has not been a day where I've had to waste time just getting around the kazillion bugs, or finding the hidden alternatives to what was once automatic.  I still love everything Apple but now I wouldn't dare recommend Apple - it's too embarrassing.  Our iMac running Snow Leopard is faster.  We have an MBP running Lion, Mac Mini 2011 on Mountain Lion.  No dreaded beach balls. (Sigh)

I came to this forum originally (months ago) to find out what happened to my "color labels". I could not believe then and even now that Apple had the "khutzpah" to hide it. I say hide bcuz I still see it on some programs when saving.

I too have submitted numerous feedback.  

Remember the fiasco with FileMaker Pro's update?  I'm not sure if there was a threat of a class-action suit but for sure the number of designers that moved over to Adobe must have got their attention.  Apple did indeed correct and put back some of the key features. 

So there's hope.  We just need to find a way to get their attention.

And before I forget. I'd like to thank Tracy E for her past and present push to right a wrong, threesixty, dianeoforegon, and all those concerned persons on this and other like forums.

julie1031_LA wrote:

 

 

So there's hope.  We just need to find a way to get their attention.

 

 

There is. Send them feedback as previously mentioned.

feedback

That is how some other features were returned.

Pete