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Q: Downloaded wrong (G5) v. of TFF, Ten4Fx, eMac won't come back on...

My eMac quit a month or so ago and I sent it to some of the students at  UCAB for first aid.  They pronounced it dead.  Kids!  My son took it apart and thoroughly cleaned it. (Hadn't been cleaned since I bought it in 2003, a rebuild. It, of course, was filthy.)  It started up and went like magic.  Then.....I downloaded the wrong FFF and after some lengthy attempts and lots of research realized I was working as though it was on my G5 not my eMac.  Pshaw!  by then it had locked up and wouldn't recognize my mouse nor would it force quit so (dumb me) I shut it down.  Now it won't start.  New battery, worked like a charm, like new, faster than it had been for years. 

 

Is there any hope?  I love that little jewel!

 

PowerMac 4,4; PPC G4 (3.3); 1GHz; L2 Cache 256KB; RAM 768MB; Bus 133 MHz;

SN G8xxxxxUNLV; OSX 10.4.11

 

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Posted on Aug 13, 2014 9:16 PM

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Q: Downloaded wrong (G5) v. of TFF, Ten4Fx, eMac won't come back on...

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  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Aug 11, 2014 9:55 AM in response to Goldenbill
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    Aug 11, 2014 9:55 AM in response to Goldenbill

    Hi Goldie,

     

    So, no noise or lights at all when you try?

  • by Allan Jones,

    Allan Jones Allan Jones Aug 11, 2014 6:34 PM in response to Goldenbill
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    Aug 11, 2014 6:34 PM in response to Goldenbill

    Help me here. Maybe it's too early but I am not making a connection with "FFF". Can you translate for an old guy!

  • by Goldenbill,

    Goldenbill Goldenbill Aug 11, 2014 6:34 PM in response to BDAqua
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    Aug 11, 2014 6:34 PM in response to BDAqua

    Hi BD nice to "see" you. 

    I disconnected everything last night and let it sit overnight.  Hit the power button this afternoon, the power-on light went on and it's sitting there now with a gray screen, nothing else.  Where do I go from here?  I downloaded the Ten4Fx (not FFF) designed for a G5 (I had my G5 there for a while) and was trying to make the eMac work with it.  Guess I just overloaded it, whatever, it locked up and as I said, I shut it down for a restart and it seemed to die.  The power's on now, I await your instructions.  TIA

     

    ....goldie

  • by Goldenbill,

    Goldenbill Goldenbill Aug 11, 2014 6:36 PM in response to Allan Jones
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    Aug 11, 2014 6:36 PM in response to Allan Jones

    Hi Allen!

    Mia culpa, it should have been TFF, Ten4Fx (the latest handle they've decided on).

  • by Allan Jones,

    Allan Jones Allan Jones Aug 12, 2014 7:15 AM in response to Goldenbill
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    Aug 12, 2014 7:15 AM in response to Goldenbill

    AH! Thanks. I actually tried to make that somehow related to 10FourFox but could not get closer than "5FourFox."

  • by BDAqua,Solvedanswer

    BDAqua BDAqua Aug 12, 2014 9:41 AM in response to Goldenbill
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    Aug 12, 2014 9:41 AM in response to Goldenbill

    I downloaded the Ten4Fx (not FFF) designed for a G5...

    I really don't think that is the cause of the problem, not impossible I suppose, but not likely at all.

     

    "Try Disk Utility

     

    1. Insert the Mac OS X Install disc, then restart the computer while holding the C key.

    2. When your computer finishes starting up from the disc, choose Disk Utility from the Installer menu at top of the screen. (In Mac OS X 10.4 or later, you must select your language first.)

    *Important: Do not click Continue in the first screen of the Installer. If you do, you must restart from the disc again to access Disk Utility.*

    3. Click the First Aid tab.

    4. Select your Mac OS X volume.

    5. Click Repair Disk, (not Repair Permissions). Disk Utility checks and repairs the disk."

     

    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106214

     

    Then try a Safe Boot, (holding Shift key down at bootup), run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions, reboot when it completes.

     

    (Safe boot may stay on the gray radian for a long time, let it go, it's trying to repair the Hard Drive & clear caches.)

     

    If perchance you can't find your install Disc, at least try it from the Safe Boot part onward.

  • by Goldenbill,

    Goldenbill Goldenbill Aug 13, 2014 8:51 PM in response to Allan Jones
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    Aug 13, 2014 8:51 PM in response to Allan Jones

    Hi Allan!  Do you know if there's a way to get a moderator to correct my boo boo in the original question?  Just in case some one, like you couldn't make any sense of the FFF and may know a solution to TFF, or TenFF?

     

    I'm working on BD's information but I have some other problems that I'm not able to explain just yet.

     

    ....goldie

  • by Goldenbill,

    Goldenbill Goldenbill Aug 15, 2014 11:36 AM in response to Allan Jones
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    Aug 15, 2014 11:36 AM in response to Allan Jones

    Hi Allan AND Moderator!!!

     

    Thank you so much for adjusting my erroneous question Boo Boo. 

     

    ....goldie

  • by Goldenbill,

    Goldenbill Goldenbill Aug 15, 2014 11:48 AM in response to BDAqua
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    Aug 15, 2014 11:48 AM in response to BDAqua

    Hi BG!  Still working on this, intermittently.  Got it going a couple of times but attempting various things, got it into grey mode again.  Have brought up PRAM about an hour ago and it's still working on it (I hope).  You've said in other threads regarding this problem that PRAM may take a long time.  Just about how long should I let it go before I try something new?   It's been about two hours now.

     

    It does boot into Firewire Mode. but I haven't been able to bring it up with any of the other options so far.

     

    I have a Backup of the file on an external HD which I could use to reinstall the HD OS if necessary.  Rather try other routes first though.

     

    ....goldie

  • by Goldenbill,

    Goldenbill Goldenbill Aug 17, 2014 7:39 AM in response to BDAqua
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    Aug 17, 2014 7:39 AM in response to BDAqua

    I BD!  As usual, you hit the nail on the head (almost) 

     

    As you advised, I first tried to boot up from the original Disk, (start up holding down the "C").   Mr e refused to recognize the disk though I tried several times to activate it.  First of all it wouldn't accept the disk in the drawer, then it wouldn't let it go.  I spent several hours (days)  trying to get it to work without any luck. When it refused to respond to the commands, Comd+C; Comd+S; Comd+shift, etc. I figured it was completely kaput.  I bought this eMac in August 2001, is it possible the disk deteriorates over the years?  It did respond to Firewire but I wasn't ready to go that route yet.  In all this I had to hard quit it several times which made me very nervous.

     

    Then I thought perhaps my Disk Warrior would do the trick.  Same routine, wouldn't accept the disk, then wouldn't let it go.    Then DW wouldn't complete the procedure prescribed.

     

    Finally--- I tried Disk Utility in the Finder.  It verified that the HD was OK but Disk Warrior had one bad partition out of three.  I tried several times to fix the bad section  then read in the DW manual that a "Locked Disk cannot be repaired".  Fifty-three pages of instruction, bound to miss something.

     

    Disk Utility in the Finder did the trick, the e's back in action but I guess I'll have to buy a new Disk Warrior. It did a great job, when it was new, of cleaning up the eMac and the Mac G5 17" PPC.

     

    Thanks again for your patience and advice.   ....goldie

  • by BDAqua,

    BDAqua BDAqua Aug 17, 2014 10:28 AM in response to Goldenbill
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    Aug 17, 2014 10:28 AM in response to Goldenbill

    is it possible the disk deteriorates over the years?

    Yes, both the Discs & Disc Drive can deteriorate, but have you tried one of those CD/DVD cleaning Discs?

     

    Great news you got it fixed though!

  • by Goldenbill,

    Goldenbill Goldenbill Aug 17, 2014 11:39 AM in response to Goldenbill
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    Aug 17, 2014 11:39 AM in response to Goldenbill

    I'll surely get one of those, thanks.

     

    ....goldie

  • by Goldenbill,

    Goldenbill Goldenbill Nov 3, 2014 5:19 AM in response to Goldenbill
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    Nov 3, 2014 5:19 AM in response to Goldenbill

    I can't believe I lost track of this post and just found it in my "Activity" list.  Only part of the thread is here and I'm not sure it will go to the section (thread) I think it will but here goes.

     

    Thanks for the answer BD, I've pretty much given up on my eMac and have bought a "new" reconditioned G5 as the anchor for my printer as I don't have space for it next to my iMac.  I've gotten the printer working with the G5 but can't get it going with my iMac Intel and am here searching for my old posts that tell me what to do.  "Taint easy with this new layout, never sure where I am and there is never enough information to make a reasonable search of the current posts.  Maybe they'll reconsider the lack of viewers, answers, and last poster info in the threads.

  • by Goldenbill,

    Goldenbill Goldenbill Nov 3, 2014 5:47 AM in response to Goldenbill
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    Nov 3, 2014 5:47 AM in response to Goldenbill

    Hi BD!

    This is ridiculous!  i went to reply to your post and found something referring to the thread and whether to "Recover or Delete".  By the time I got my reply sent, still unsure where it was going, the thread was on the THIRD page.  Three pages of posts in under ten minutes.  Apparently, they have opened the group up to the whole world and you have to read through dozens of posts before you can even find the one you were posting to, then they only put a couple posts in your "Activities" file which I assumed was the new "My Stuff" file.  Just going to have to find a new source of information, the world has just gotten too big for this ole gal.  I do see they have the number of views, and replies listed but not the guru that has replied, that was always a clue to me whether it was a worthwhile thread to look into.

     

    In any event, my eMac has eaten my Start-up Disk and I can't get it out as the power button no longer works.  My son has been sick and not able to work on it and I wonder if he may have neglected to reconnect the power button to the supply cord.  Working on the nerve to open it and check.  I feel like I've lost a member of the family. 

     

    I'll check with you at XYmer"s if that's ok with you.

     

    .....goldie

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