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Q: iPhone 6 - "Immediately" is only Passcode option

I Just got iPhone 6.  Only have iCloud and GMail account so no corporate enforced settings.  Why is "immedirately" only option for requiring a passcode?  I used to be able to set for 15 minutes, an hour, etc.

 

is there some other new iOS 8 security setting preventing longer duration for passcode?

Posted on Sep 19, 2014 2:27 PM

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Q: iPhone 6 - "Immediately" is only Passcode option

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  • by FoxFifth,Solvedanswer

    FoxFifth FoxFifth Sep 19, 2014 2:53 PM in response to daving313
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    Sep 19, 2014 2:53 PM in response to daving313

    It is related to using Touch ID and it was the same way with iOS7 on the iPhone 5s. The quote below is from iPhone 5s: Using Touch ID

    • Using Touch ID sets your Require Passcode setting to Immediately. You can still enter your passcode simply by sliding to unlock.
  • by daving313,

    daving313 daving313 Sep 19, 2014 3:22 PM in response to FoxFifth
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    Sep 19, 2014 3:22 PM in response to FoxFifth

    Yes you are correct but I do not understand the security risk by requiring after 15 minutes when TouchID is enabled.   I cannot come up with a scenario where a simple passcode only would be OK to go up to 4 hours but enabling TouchID is immediate every time....

  • by B8B,

    B8B B8B Sep 19, 2014 6:14 PM in response to daving313
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    Sep 19, 2014 6:14 PM in response to daving313

    Agreed. This is lame.

  • by kwilliam71,

    kwilliam71 kwilliam71 Sep 20, 2014 9:17 AM in response to daving313
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    Sep 20, 2014 9:17 AM in response to daving313

    It's annoying and possibly enough to keep me from using Touch ID. Sigh...

  • by laurianfromfrisco,

    laurianfromfrisco laurianfromfrisco Sep 21, 2014 8:09 AM in response to daving313
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    Sep 21, 2014 8:09 AM in response to daving313

    This is purely annoying. You can set preferences if you use the Code, but not if you use the Fingerprint ID. I turned off Touch ID.:(

  • by davebach,

    davebach davebach Sep 23, 2014 10:58 AM in response to laurianfromfrisco
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    Sep 23, 2014 10:58 AM in response to laurianfromfrisco

    I concur. I wish this allowed you to set the timeout for both touch id and for passcode. I was trying to figure out the logic behind it and I can't.

  • by JAlger,

    JAlger JAlger Sep 28, 2014 12:07 PM in response to kwilliam71
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    Sep 28, 2014 12:07 PM in response to kwilliam71

    It was annoying to me at first.

     

    I've realized if you press the home button and leave your fingertip there, the screen wakes and then immediately unlocks the phone via TouchID. Doing it this way, it's actually less steps than having Require Passcode set to some time limit, waking the phone, then swiping to the home screen.

     

    Might not be a solution for everyone, but it's gotten me over my gripes with TouchID being required immediately. Once I got the muscle memory down to unlock or wake my iPhone this way, I was fine with this forced setting.

  • by Mark Allan1,

    Mark Allan1 Mark Allan1 Oct 7, 2014 8:36 AM in response to JAlger
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    Oct 7, 2014 8:36 AM in response to JAlger

    JAlger wrote:

     

    I've realized if you press the home button and leave your fingertip there, the screen wakes and then immediately unlocks the phone via TouchID. Doing it this way, it's actually less steps than having Require Passcode set to some time limit, waking the phone, then swiping to the home screen.

     

    Maybe so, but if you have a notification that you're trying to swipe on, it's actually very annoying.  Consider the following scenario:

     

    You send someone a text message.

    Hit the power button to turn off the screen (or screen turns off automatically after 1 minute).

    Receive notification of a reply (within a couple of minutes)

     

    Without TouchID:

    Swipe to reply -> phone immediately unlocks and activates Messages app.

     

    With TouchID

    Swipe to reply.

    Adjust grip to place an appropriate finger on the home button.

    Wait a couple of seconds for fingerprint to be recognised.

    Phone eventually unlocks and maybe* activates the Messages app (*the "maybe" is in case you absent-mindedly press the home button, you'll be landed at the home screen instead of the Messages app)

     

    If you're in the middle of a text conversation, TouchID gets very annoying very quickly.

  • by Gothamb,

    Gothamb Gothamb Oct 7, 2014 6:13 PM in response to daving313
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    Oct 7, 2014 6:13 PM in response to daving313

    YES!!!!  This is super annoying!!!!

    Some of us don't sit at a desk and wear white gloves all day. 

    The TouchID is very unreliable when you have dirty hands from some activity, and if you are not at a desk then you also

    keep your phone in your pocket most of the time.  

    so looking at Mark Allan1's example i would like to add a few parts that are part of my reality

     

    "With TouchID

    Swipe to reply.

    Remove gloves again

    Adjust grip to place an appropriate finger on the home button.

    Wait a couple of seconds for fingerprint to be recognized

    have touch id fail several times due to dirt/grease. a couple of more seconds!

    Phone eventually unlocks because you had to enter code, and maybe* activates the Messages app (*the "maybe" is in case you absent-mindedly press the home button, you'll be landed at the home screen instead of the Messages app

    If you're in the middle of a text conversation, TouchID gets very annoying very quickly."

     

    Bottom line ITS MY PHONE!!!!!   the only real security risk i have is that i may forget it in a bar or drop it on the street, in that case i want it locked and only

    accessible with my finger id or my code, but if i just used it 30 seconds before then i should be able to choose to have it remained unlocked.

    I have paid almost $1000 for the **** phone and i want to use all of the features but want the option to make the phone work for me!!!!!  The customer and owner!!!!   let me decide how i want it to work!  i am more qualified to determine how i need the security on my phone to work than apple is. 

  • by antfactor,

    antfactor antfactor Nov 29, 2014 2:37 PM in response to Gothamb
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    Nov 29, 2014 2:37 PM in response to Gothamb

    I have to agree: I, too, find this rather annoying. Especially when it's cold out and I'm wearing "touch-screen gloves" and can't put in my fingerprint(!). Are you hearing this, Apple developers? Please allow US to set the security time - this is extremely annoying.

  • by KiltedTim,

    KiltedTim KiltedTim Nov 29, 2014 2:38 PM in response to antfactor
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    Nov 29, 2014 2:38 PM in response to antfactor

    antfactor wrote:

     

    Are you hearing this, Apple developers? Please allow US to set the security time - this is extremely annoying.

    No. They are not. This is a user forum. Use the contact us link at the bottom of the page if you want to give feedback to Apple.

  • by MadJeff,

    MadJeff MadJeff Feb 7, 2015 11:19 AM in response to FoxFifth
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    Feb 7, 2015 11:19 AM in response to FoxFifth

    That doesn't answer the question as to why it is this way.  It's a very annoying forced option for us and therefore myself and many other people need to disable the TouchID sensor because it causes too much of a hindrance requiring a fingerprint or PIN immediately.  It really is such a shame that this great piece of technology is wasted due to a simple logical requirement on Apple's part.  Address this so we can use this awesomely secure feature in our daily lives and make an impact against identity theft!  Apple, you went 99% of the way there with streamlining this technology but then invented a big DEALBREAKER such as this by requiring it immediately.  I'm sure you have your reasons but that doesn't translate down to people's actual lives and how they use your devices.  I've tried using it your way by requiring it immediately for almost 6 months now and sadly, the annoyances with it never subsided so I am no forced to disable it.  Please reconsider this forced setting and either try using the phones you make yourself so you can see how annoying this is or more thoroughly study your customers' habits in using their iPhone.  This needs to be changed and allow for a delay before requiring a PIN or TouchID so we can really use this.  Otherwise, great job on everything else regarding hardware and software with these phones... so close but yet so far on this feature though...

  • by TJBUSMC1973,

    TJBUSMC1973 TJBUSMC1973 Feb 7, 2015 11:25 AM in response to MadJeff
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    Feb 7, 2015 11:25 AM in response to MadJeff

    Four and a half years you've been a member of this community, but haven't learned that this isn't the place to give Apple feedback?

    Go to www.apple.com/feedback.

    The technical answer is that with Touch ID enabled, the passcode must be set to 'Immediate'.  That's the answer, whether you like it or not.

    Why Apple decided this is not up for debate or speculation.  That is a violation of the Terms of Use of this forum.

    Submit your feedback in the proper channel.  This is not it.  And you should know better.  Perhaps you need to review the Terms of Use?

    https://discussions.apple.com/terms-and-conditions!input.jspa

  • by Meg St._Clair,

    Meg St._Clair Meg St._Clair Feb 7, 2015 11:27 AM in response to MadJeff
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    Feb 7, 2015 11:27 AM in response to MadJeff

    MadJeff wrote:

     

    That doesn't answer the question as to why it is this way.

    Of course it doesn't. No one here would be able to answer that. Only Apple knows why and they don't post here.

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