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Q: Convert existing Apple ID to Child Apple ID

Hello Everyone,

 

Due to the number of Apple devices in our home, and being personalized to each other my children (both under 13) have their own Apple devices.  Because my wife and I did not want them to have access to our accounts,   I created separate Apple IDs with their names and my date of birth, but I manage (They don't know passwords, etc). so that they could use facetime and iMessage with their grandparents from their own devices.  As they have gotten older, they have also developed their own taste in music and apps and have used the different Apple IDs with iTunes cards they get for gifts sometimes and as rewards.


With the roll out of iOS and Family sharing I now have a situation where it would be nice to share some (not all) of the purchases spread across 4 accounts but when I add my children's accounts under family sharing it shows them as adults , Appleid.apple.com wont allow me to modify the birthdays for my kids to the correct dates. 

 

I know for a fact I am not the only one in this situation, so I'm asking the following

 

 

Is there a way to convert my kid's existing Apple IDs to the new Child Apple ID accounts so that I can approve iTunes purchases if I link them through family sharing?

iPhone 5, iOS 6.0.1

Posted on Sep 17, 2014 12:45 PM

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  • by jmvdkolk,

    jmvdkolk jmvdkolk Oct 22, 2014 5:08 AM in response to Csound1
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    Oct 22, 2014 5:08 AM in response to Csound1

    I'm sorry to have started a discussion with you. It clearly won't help anyone. Enjoy your day.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Oct 22, 2014 5:13 AM in response to jmvdkolk
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    Oct 22, 2014 5:13 AM in response to jmvdkolk

    Actually you asked me a question and did not like my answer, there has been no discussion.

     

    Have a nice day.

  • by reu214,

    reu214 reu214 Oct 22, 2014 5:35 AM in response to jmvdkolk
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    Oct 22, 2014 5:35 AM in response to jmvdkolk

    You guys are solving nothing with this back and forth. Please just submit an Apple feature request to allow existing accounts to use the "ask to buy" feature when using the same payment account. Also ask that feature be extended beyond 13 years of age. It shouldn't matter how old someone is, they should have to ask.

     

    Many people falsified information to create child accounts knowingly and can't really be that upset for the steps Apple has taken to prevent purchase issues.  They don't need to take the time to undue those protections to give us such a feature.  Also, since most of us didn't sit there with their child and tell them to lie when creating an account, so you can give the parenting issues arrest as well.

     

    GIve Apple constructive feed back, and work around the issue as you have in the past, or create new child accounts and abandon the old one.

  • by jmvdkolk,

    jmvdkolk jmvdkolk Oct 22, 2014 7:53 AM in response to reu214
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    Oct 22, 2014 7:53 AM in response to reu214

    Please tell me how to submit an Apple feature request. If there is such an option anywhere on the Apple website, it is well hidden. The support people will not record feature requests either.

     

    I am upset for Apple not providing an upgrade path for existing users. The family option is great, and just what people needed. But it is only for new users. There are no good options for people that already have Apple IDs. Abandoning the old ones is the worst possible option. Not using the family option is a way better option.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Oct 22, 2014 7:57 AM in response to jmvdkolk
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    Oct 22, 2014 7:57 AM in response to jmvdkolk

    jmvdkolk wrote:

     

    Please tell me how to submit an Apple feature request. If there is such an option anywhere on the Apple website, it is well hidden. The support people will not record feature requests either.

    Apple.com/feedback

  • by reu214,

    reu214 reu214 Oct 22, 2014 8:09 AM in response to jmvdkolk
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    Oct 22, 2014 8:09 AM in response to jmvdkolk

    The iCould feed back page is here; https://www.apple.com/feedback/icloud.html

    I've used it many times and most of the (reasonable) feature request I asked for have come to fruition in time.  They do listen if enough people request a given feature.

     

    Please remember that in the opinion of Apple, they opened up iCloud to under 13 years of age by doing this.  Theoretically all under 13 year old accounts should be new.  I feel they short sighted themselves by thinking 13 is old enough to have unfettered access to my credit card.  I think you should be able to add "ask to buy" to anyone on the family share plan that isn't the card owner.

     

    Remember this isn't about ethics, it's about program development hindered by legalese.  It's not personal.

  • by jmvdkolk,

    jmvdkolk jmvdkolk Oct 22, 2014 12:45 PM in response to reu214
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    Oct 22, 2014 12:45 PM in response to reu214

    Thank you Reu.

  • by Canozzie11,

    Canozzie11 Canozzie11 Oct 22, 2014 3:52 PM in response to phemale12
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    Oct 22, 2014 3:52 PM in response to phemale12

    I've tried to change my child's age to 13 but cannot.  It says "you cannot change your birthday at this time"...

     

    was this disabled?

  • by travismetcalf,

    travismetcalf travismetcalf Oct 22, 2014 3:55 PM in response to Canozzie11
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    Oct 22, 2014 3:55 PM in response to Canozzie11

    Try only changing the year and not the month and day that is already listed. I ran into this issue and I didn't get the error if I only changed the year.

  • by Canozzie11,

    Canozzie11 Canozzie11 Oct 22, 2014 3:57 PM in response to travismetcalf
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    Oct 22, 2014 3:57 PM in response to travismetcalf

    Yes that's what I did but with no luck.  Any other reason this might be happening?

  • by Roddy Barros,

    Roddy Barros Roddy Barros Oct 22, 2014 4:17 PM in response to Canozzie11
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    Oct 22, 2014 4:17 PM in response to Canozzie11

    Same thing happens to me, still haven't been able to do it.

  • by reu214,

    reu214 reu214 Oct 23, 2014 8:12 AM in response to Canozzie11
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    Oct 23, 2014 8:12 AM in response to Canozzie11

    As far as I can tell, you can only change the age once per whatever time period, and only to an age older than 13.  I haven't seen the issue where you can only change the year, but you can not change the age to younger than 13.  To be honest, I couldn't even get my birthday to change in testing, I tried to change my age from 36 to 35 and received the same error message. The error message isn't explanatory even though it says "right now".  I'm guessing the feature is frozen out until they can resolve it internally.  You cannot change a child account to older than 13 yet.  It's a preventative measure to keep child accounts from falsifying information to get around parental blocks.

     

    Honestly, this is a new feature and obviously needs to have the kinks worked out.  I'd recommend you continue with how you worked the store before, or create new child accounts if that is reasonable. 

  • by TJBUSMC1973,

    TJBUSMC1973 TJBUSMC1973 Oct 25, 2014 11:02 AM in response to reu214
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    Oct 25, 2014 11:02 AM in response to reu214

    reu214 wrote:

     

    I feel they short sighted themselves by thinking 13 is old enough to have unfettered access to my credit card.  I think you should be able to add "ask to buy" to anyone on the family share plan that isn't the card owner.

     

    That's always been available, really, just not remotely.  My child doesn't know my Apple ID password.  When he wants to download something, he brings me his device, and I enter the password.

     

    I've also enabled Restrictions on the device as well.

     

    If you don't want someone having access to your Apple ID to make purchases, don't give them the password.  That works whether they are 8 or 80.

     

    Granted, I'd like to see the Family Sharing Organizer have that control as well, but that's beside the point.  Submit the feature request, and until then, work within the system as designed.

  • by KidsAppleID,

    KidsAppleID KidsAppleID Nov 8, 2014 11:47 PM in response to Csound1
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    Nov 8, 2014 11:47 PM in response to Csound1

    As a parent I make sure my kids NEVER enter the real date of birth or real email address on line.  I do the same apple really doesn't need to know our personal detail just so we can send photo to each other and share music, call it what you like, but focus on a solution to problem regardless of the cause rather than ranting nonsense.

     

    So getting more to the point.

     

    So I'm still looking for the best setup, The family share account so far seems more troublesome than just creating separate IDs for every one then just typing in dads account when we want to install something.

     

    Maybe I am wrong but I cant find a way to solve these downsides.

     

    1)      I don't want my wife to use my credit card to buy stuff she wants on itunes... she can pay for that her self.

    2)      why can I only set up a new kids ID with an @icloud.com  ???, 

    3)       We do what to find each others phones where that get lost but we don;t want to upgrade them all the the latest OSX version

    In the past we just had to have them all under my account. I worked.

     

    My question is ?

    Is it really worth it. I cant see any bit advantage other than not having to enter your credit card details each time in the family share setup over all the problems it causes.

  • by reu214,

    reu214 reu214 Nov 10, 2014 12:36 PM in response to KidsAppleID
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    Nov 10, 2014 12:36 PM in response to KidsAppleID

    "1)      I don't want my wife to use my credit card to buy stuff she wants on itunes... she can pay for that her self."

     

    Then she can still purchase using her own card with her own Apple ID, nothing changes there.  Family share allows them to use your credit card, they don't have too.  It also turns on GPS tagging, a Family shared Calendar and a couple other handy features we've all worked around in the past.

     

    "2)      why can I only set up a new kids ID with an @icloud.com  ???, "

     

    This was covered earlier in the thread as it is the actual subject of this thread.  You must be 13 and older to legally create a Apple ID.  You can NOT convert an account because, theoretically, there are no under age 13 account holders.  It's a security measure to prevent kids from tricking the system.  The catch is that to use the "Ask to buy" feature, the family member must be a child account which can only be created through Family Sharing and under the age of 13.  What we want isn't a conversion, it's to allows to impose the "Ask to Buy" feature on any/all Family Members associated with your family sharing plan.  If you want to help submit Apple iCloud feedback here; https://www.apple.com/feedback/icloud.html

     

    "3)       We do what to find each others phones where that get lost but we don;t want to upgrade them all the the latest OSX version

    In the past we just had to have them all under my account. I worked."

     

    Family sharing only works with iOS 8, so you can't use it unless you update.  So... yeah.

     

    What family Sharing does do, is provide a "Legal" means to share apps and purchases (with developer permission).  If you share your Apple purchases on a Device that is not yours and used by you as the ID owner, you are outside your terms and conditions.  It also provides a way for children under 13 to have their own account so they can enjoy all the features of iCloud such as iCloud keychain, Tabs, Messages, FaceTime, and other features that they can't have without an account.

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