Q: Report on the NEW iOS 8.1 Revision Today
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Oct 22, 2014 3:41 PMby Star Traveler,His "sensibilities" (in your words) is -- plain and simple -- a VIOLATION of the "Terms of Use" for this forum, which is "users helping other users" for the purpose of supplying a user with a "solution" that he can implement himself on his own iOS device, for a problem he has stated.
Apple policies are out of bounds here and do not fit into the "Terms of Use" ... no matter how much you may want to engage in it.
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Oct 22, 2014 3:50 PMby PeterPumpkinEater,I think (opinion) you are right. Some contributors to the discussions about iPad 2 problems with iOS 8 have been abusive of you. A moderator of this board should probably have suppressed posting that used expressions like "idiot". That is abusive language and most probably extremely unfair. In fact you have troubled yourself to provide a series of links to information that has enabled me personally to take the opportunity to derive some benefit from a frustrating hiccup, as Apple has no doubt tackled a very complex upgrade. It would not have been made less complex by its obviously conscious decision to include our earlier iPad model in the upgrade. On the way to becoming, is it, the biggest company in the world, one would learn some very basic lessons about, in this case, how to handle people who demand acknowledgements that they and those like them will then be able to use to make further attacks.
The problems I've had have been much more limited than many contributors have reported. I assume this must mean that there are many iPad 2 users who like me are getting by well enough to be quite patient. It seems to me that particular configurations and how different people happen to use their iPads must be a major factor in regard to who encounters what problems.
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Oct 22, 2014 4:06 PMby Star Traveler,PeterPumpkinEater wrote:
It seems to me that particular configurations and how different people happen to use their iPads must be a major factor in regard to who encounters what problems.
This is exactly the case. In a mass-produced device, all those (of a similar kind, like iPad 2) come out exactly the same way from the factory. AND ... all those off the factory floor are going to operate exactly the same way with iOS 8.1. That's not an opinion ... but an ABSOLUTE FACT. Everyone has to start from that position. So, when one encounters various problems, and finds that one solution works and another doesn't and not everyone's problems are the same, you are led to the UNDENIABLE CONCLUSION that the "variation" is all inside that one user's machine.
Now, that "variation" can be something like a scrambled file, which could have resulted from a glitch in the installation process. Perhaps a user decided to cut off the installation process in the middle of it, because it appeared to be stuck, and they cut it off at a point that damaged an existing file. That's a plausible outcome. Or there were already existing files, before the installation began, that were scrambled and they couldn't be corrected in the installation process. Or there could be a hardware glitch or failure. Or, as we've seen already, there could be an app that is not compatible with iOS 8, and it's severely interfering with the operation. Or there could be a number of other things, all not having to do with iOS 8 - "itself". Those are the "variations" that can be existent in all these people's iPad 2 devices, which cause a number of "different solutions" to work for them.
Again, the starting point has to do the absolute acknowledgment of those first three sentences up above. You start with that, and you proceed from there. And "that" is why one can restore to factory default in a clean system install and get back to "those first three sentences" up above. And when someone doesn't get back there, that doesn't invalidate those first three sentences up above (in my comment here), but it means that there is another "variation" inside "that device" that one doesn't know about yet.
If someone doesn't believe those first three sentences up above, I would like a really good explanation as to why ... :-) ...
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Oct 22, 2014 4:36 PMby trevorfromoakpark,Hi There All, My Last Contributions to this thread as clearly people with greater reslience than mine are at work.
Firstly, I must say that these last two posts do tend to suggest / minimise the effect that the 3G connectivity issues had quite broadly on a very, very large number of iPad 2 users who chose to upgrade to the iOS 8 Gold release. I struggle to believe that it was "variations" within their device that contributed to their particular issue. The general rule of thumb commercially is that 1% of the customers affected by an issue complain, so that those 1% need to be listened to carefully, because they are your most important customers - there's another 99% of unhappy customers out there silently getting more frustrated with your product.
Star Traveler, you happen to agree with Apple's stance on acknowledging issues and I'm happy to agree that this may well not be the appropriate place to discuss them. I'll choose a more general discussion group to do so.
However I'm fascinated that you play the Terms and Conditions / Forum Etiquette card, but would ask whether you have considered your own responses throughout the morning and whether they satisfy the "be polite, constructive and stay on topic" point in the Etiquette document. The Tyres analogy was irrelevant and patronising and the repeated "Get Over It" responses - well I just don't think they are a polite way of responding to other's opinions.
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Oct 22, 2014 7:24 PMby lumensandgear,First, I have expressed this directly to Apple support. Two of the primary reasons that a person buys an Apple "anything" is usability and user experience. In the case of Apple many buyers are not technophiles. My 82 year old father is a perfect example. The iPad was a perfect solution for someone who has zero technology background. Thankfully, I was able to make sure he didn't run the OS upgrade.
When any company does an operating system "push" (not a release that you "pull") there is an expectation that is will run as well or better than the previous OS. If not, you make it available as a pull not a push. This would have eliminated the issues many people are experiencing with their iPads.
I'm still trying to figure out why it got pushed out to the iPad 2. I may have overlooked something when I looked at the release notes, but as far as I know I didn't see any warnings about a sub-standard user experience if installed. I find it really hard to believe that iOS 8 was only tested on a stripped down iPad2.
On the plus side some friends who did download the original iOS 8 have seen marked improvement after the latest patch release.
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Oct 22, 2014 9:11 PMby JerryPele,David,
I think how you form your responses can be very helpful in dialog. If you truly are attempting to be helpful, avoid statements such as "deal with it". Personally, I wouldn't spend too much effort worrying about posters abusing the forum Terms of Service; let moderators worry about that.
In regards to all the complaints about 3G dropping and sluggishness after the upgrade; I would say that, at least for me, pointing fingers at incompatible apps may not be the right direction. I had every single app completely closed; then opened Apple apps such as Safari, etc. and still experienced the sluggishness. And as some have mentioned, iPad 2 in the Apple Store with 8.x was exhibiting issues in Safari. This upgrade was probably stretching it for this model; and should not have been considered eligible. Having to disable various features to make it 'almost' as it was before the upgrade is frustrating; hence the frustration represented on these forums. Even if a posting looks to be complaining; they are looking for answers, even if they are grasping at straws. Hopefully the Factory Restore will help most, as it did me.
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Oct 24, 2014 1:13 AMby Meneer Tuur,My iPad 3 runs a bit better on 8.1 but the non-retina mini from my girlfriend hangs a lot. Also on default apps like calendar. Killing the app usually works though.
This whole 8 thing sounds a lot like "too much, too soon" to me. Lots of friends are complaining. Which is new to me. I used to notice only virtual complaints from peeps on the internet...
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Oct 24, 2014 5:18 AMby deepu1001,I'm so frustrated with the performance of my iPad Air after iOS 8.1 update. I can no longer jump to iOS 7. with all this frustration I just wiped everything and then did an iOS 8.1 restore. After setting up as new iPad nothing has changed. It was slow again. Then restored it again...and again...this time i choose not to enable iCloud drive. And there you go.....no more stutter!!!! Safari does well. Everything seems smooth till now. For me at least this solved my problem with low performance. I don't really know what really is wrong with iCloud drive. May be my network is weak or something else. But it did Work for me. And when iCloud drive is enabled my iPad used to stay hot like as if it is working hard For something. And now, nothing like that.
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Oct 25, 2014 11:55 PMby Star Traveler,I will give one warning here ... if you activate "iCloud Photo Library" you won't be able to backup your pictures any longer on your iCloud Backup. You'll have to use another backup procedure, other than the iCloud Backup, if you want to keep your pictures safe. I've been using Dropbox.
SO ... remember, if you activate "iCloud Photo Library" and simce it's in beta right now, and since iCloud Backup won't backup your pictures any more, you are without any protection for your photos!
