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Q: USB drive compatibility with Airport Routers. Help make database.

Please HELP.

 

Everyone who has a USB drive plugged into the airport directly and working, I want to assemble a database of those that work and those that fail.

And if you could not get it to work but it is ok on a powered USB hub please also give that info.

 

I see the question over and over about failure of the USB drive to work on a Time Capsule or Extreme (Express is not compatible).

 

The drive must be formatted correctly. FAT32 or Mac OS Extended (Journaled). (HFS+) are the only formats that work.. and really only the later is recommended.

 

Yet when people plug their drive into the airport, all correctly formatted it does not work.

 

There are obvious considerations..

 

1. Format and partition is correct.

 

2. Power consumption.. self powered drives may not get enough power.. actually I would not recommend using self-powered drives with any of the older version TC.. the power supply is underrated.. and even the AE power supply is far from excessive. The new version AC models have a far more powerful supply, so self powered drives should not be a problem.

 

3. USB chipset.. I think the problem is here. A USB drive can work fine on the Computer.. it has huge number of drivers available but the AE/TC has limited firmware space and limited number of drivers. So what I want is to find those that work and those that don't.

 

Info I would like.

 

1. Make and model.. as much info as required that a person could go out and buy that same one. ie versions maybe important.

 

2. Does it work directly on the AE/TC?.. yes or no.

 

3. Does it work via a powered hub? yes or no. Leave this blank if the answer to 2 is yes.

 

4. Can you please plug it into the Mac, open the system information and give me this info.

 

Touro Desk Pro:

 

  Product ID:          0x1013

  Vendor ID:          0x4971

  Version:           0.00

  Serial Number:          31001304180002200312

  Speed:          Up to 480 Mb/sec

  Manufacturer:          HGST

  Location ID:          0xfa130000 / 5

  Current Available (mA):          500

  Current Required (mA):          8

  Capacity:          1 TB (1,000,204,136,448 bytes)

  Removable Media:          Yes

  Detachable Drive:          Yes

  BSD Name:          disk1

  Partition Map Type:          GPT (GUID Partition Table)

  S.M.A.R.T. status:          Not Supported

 

 

It will be more useful as a copy and paste.

 

But here is the screenshot. So you know where to find it.

 

Screen Shot 2014-02-18 at 8.37.34 AM.png

 

5. Comments

You might want to tell us if it is terrible or slow.. or cheap and excellent.. recommend to others or stay away.

 

The last bit I want is to work out if any of the technical id stuff helps.

What is the USB chipset? You do not need to add the info.. I can search for it.. but when I google the Vendor ID: 0x4971 I discover this is JMicron.

 

If you are interested then please you can add it as well.

There is a lot of info around the web.. look for reliable source.

http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/Supported_USB-Devices

 

6. USB chipset. JMicron

 

 

 

Maybe we can track down the factors that are making it hard to pick devices that work and devices that don't.

 

At least have a list of drives known to work could be helpful.

There is a listing.. http://www.ifelix.co.uk/tech/8014.html It is way out of date.

That is the only one I know of.. but if people can point to others that is great.

Mac mini, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5), 2011 base model

Posted on Feb 17, 2014 3:17 PM

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  • by LaPastenague,

    LaPastenague LaPastenague Feb 17, 2014 3:21 PM in response to LaPastenague
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    Feb 17, 2014 3:21 PM in response to LaPastenague

    Like this.

     

    1. Touro Desk Pro:

     

    2. Yes.

     

    3. N.A. (if 2 is yes then 3 is yes).

     

    4.

    Touro Desk Pro:

     

      Product ID:          0x1013

      Vendor ID:          0x4971

      Version:           0.00

      Serial Number:          31001304180002200312

      Speed:          Up to 480 Mb/sec

      Manufacturer:          HGST

      Location ID:          0xfa130000 / 5

      Current Available (mA):          500

      Current Required (mA):          8

      Capacity:          1 TB (1,000,204,136,448 bytes)

      Removable Media:          Yes

      Detachable Drive:          Yes

      BSD Name:          disk1

      Partition Map Type:          GPT (GUID Partition Table)

      S.M.A.R.T. status:          Not Supported

     

    5. Good price; works fine.

    Buy the shells from OWC for a few dollars and use any old disk in it.

     

    6. JMicron.

  • by profwaw,

    profwaw profwaw Mar 11, 2014 5:03 PM in response to LaPastenague
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    Mar 11, 2014 5:03 PM in response to LaPastenague

    1.  Seagate 1TB Backup Plus, model # SRD00F1

     

    2.  No

     

    3.  Yes; works with unpowered usb hub

     

    4. 

    Seagate External HDD Mac OS :

     

      Available:          984.31 GB (984,312,909,824 bytes)

      Capacity:          999.86 GB (999,860,912,128 bytes)

      Mount Point:          /Volumes/Seagate External HDD Mac OS

      File System:          Journaled HFS+

      Writable:          Yes

      Ignore Ownership:          Yes

      BSD Name:          disk5s2

      Volume UUID:          2566D476-BC13-3F1C-BA1D-FCCBAF039A90

      Physical Drive:

      Media Name:          Seagate Backup+ BK Media

      Protocol:          USB

      Internal:          No

      Partition Map Type:          GPT (GUID Partition Table)

      S.M.A.R.T. Status:          Not Supported

     

     

    I'd love to know if you find some that do work directly off the TC USB slot.

     

    Thanks.

  • by profwaw,

    profwaw profwaw Mar 13, 2014 4:19 PM in response to LaPastenague
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    Mar 13, 2014 4:19 PM in response to LaPastenague

    1.  Seagate 1TB Backup Plus, model # SRD00F1

     

    2.  Yes

     

    3.  N/A

     

    4.

    Seagate External HDD Mac OS :

     

      Available:          984.31 GB (984,312,909,824 bytes)

      Capacity:          999.86 GB (999,860,912,128 bytes)

      Mount Point:          /Volumes/Seagate External HDD Mac OS

      File System:          Journaled HFS+

      Writable:          Yes

      Ignore Ownership:          Yes

      BSD Name:          disk5s2

      Volume UUID:          2566D476-BC13-3F1C-BA1D-FCCBAF039A90

      Physical Drive:

      Media Name:          Seagate Backup+ BK Media

      Protocol:          USB

      Internal:          No

      Partition Map Type:          GPT (GUID Partition Table)

      S.M.A.R.T. Status:          Not Supported

     

     

    The Seagate HDD works directly off the TC usb port after the 03/12/2014 TC firmware update.  This reply changes my reply of 03/11/2014 5:03pm

  • by simonsimon,

    simonsimon simonsimon May 1, 2014 4:53 AM in response to LaPastenague
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    May 1, 2014 4:53 AM in response to LaPastenague

    These are connecting to a 3rd Gen 1TB Time Capsule.

     

    1. Western Digital My Passport 0740

    2. Yes

    3. Yes

    4.

      Product ID:          0x0740

      Vendor ID:          0x1058  (Western Digital Technologies, Inc.)

      Version:          10.07

      Serial Number:          575852314342315738313335

      Speed:          Up to 480 Mb/sec

      Manufacturer:          Western Digital

      Location ID:          0x26200000 / 3

      Current Available (mA):          500

      Current Required (mA):          500

      Capacity:          1 TB (1,000,170,586,112 bytes)

      Removable Media:          Yes

      Detachable Drive:          Yes

      BSD Name:          disk5

      Partition Map Type:          MBR (Master Boot Record)

      S.M.A.R.T. status:          Not Supported

    5. Purchased in 2012.

     

     

    1. Sony Vaio (roughly from 2007-8)

    2. Yes

    3. Yes

    4.

      Product ID:          0x6390

      Vendor ID:          0x058f  (Alcor Micro, Corp.)

      Version:           1.00

      Speed:          Up to 480 Mb/sec

      Manufacturer:          Generic

      Location ID:          0x24100000 / 3

      Current Available (mA):          500

      Current Required (mA):          100

      Capacity:          160.04 GB (160,041,885,696 bytes)

      Removable Media:          Yes

      Detachable Drive:          Yes

      BSD Name:          disk4

      Partition Map Type:          APM (Apple Partition Map)

      S.M.A.R.T. status:          Not Supported

    5. Purchased in 2008

     

     

    1. Seagate Backup Plus for Mac SRD0SP0 1TB

    2. Yes

    3. Yes

    4.

      Product ID:          0xa013

      Vendor ID:          0x0bc2  (Seagate LLC)

      Version:           1.00

      Serial Number:          NA5P3KTA

      Speed:          Up to 480 Mb/sec

      Manufacturer:          Seagate

      Location ID:          0x26200000 / 3

      Current Available (mA):          500

      Current Required (mA):          100

      Capacity:          1 TB (1,000,204,885,504 bytes)

      Removable Media:          Yes

      Detachable Drive:          Yes

      BSD Name:          disk5

      Partition Map Type:          GPT (GUID Partition Table)

      S.M.A.R.T. status:          Not Supported

    5. Purchased in 2013.

     

     

    1. Drobo 5D

    2. No.

    3. No, not even on a Belkin Powered USB hub.

    4.

      Product ID:          0x3455

      Vendor ID:          0x19b9

      Version:           0.00

      Serial Number:          D0B135101700078

      Speed:          Up to 480 Mb/sec

      Manufacturer:          Drobo

      Location ID:          0x24100000 / 3

      Current Available (mA):          500

      Current Required (mA):          2

      Capacity:          17.59 TB (17,592,186,044,416 bytes)

      Removable Media:          Yes

      Detachable Drive:          Yes

      BSD Name:          disk4

      Partition Map Type:          GPT (GUID Partition Table)

      S.M.A.R.T. status:          Not Supported

    5. It was working at once stage when plugged directly into the TC, but stopped.

    Details here: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6151788

  • by LaPastenague,

    LaPastenague LaPastenague May 1, 2014 5:35 AM in response to simonsimon
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    May 1, 2014 5:35 AM in response to simonsimon

    Thanks for posting all of that info.. it helps to keep track. I will search later for all I can find on what USB chips they are.

  • by michaelfromllanfairpwll,

    michaelfromllanfairpwll michaelfromllanfairpwll Oct 30, 2014 8:44 AM in response to LaPastenague
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    Oct 30, 2014 8:44 AM in response to LaPastenague

    1. Western Digital WD10EZEX - WD 1TB 3.5 64MB SATA 6Gbs 7200RPM — **But** in a Hitachi G-Drive enclosure

    2. Yes

    3.

    4. Product ID: 0xce33

      Vendor ID: 0x4971

      Version: 2.05

      Serial Number: EB2303QE

      Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec

      Manufacturer: G-TECH

      Location ID: 0x14200000 / 5

      Current Available (mA): 500

      Current Required (mA): 0

      Capacity: 1 TB (1,000,204,886,016 bytes)

      Removable Media: Yes

      Detachable Drive: Yes

      BSD Name: disk2

      Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)

      S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported

    5.  It worked for a while then mysteriously unmounted and I couldn't get it working again. Now, it's working again.

  • by Tesserax,

    Tesserax Tesserax Oct 30, 2014 10:11 AM in response to LaPastenague
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    Oct 30, 2014 10:11 AM in response to LaPastenague

    Hi LaPastenague,

     

    I happen to have a number of Western Digital My Passport drives handy that I use for both file storage and Time Machine backups with my Apple routers. I have been using them from when I had 3rd gen 802.11n AirPorts up to today with my 802.11ac models. I have yet to find reliability as an issue ... but, limited to USB v2.0, they are definitely NOT speed demons.

     

    1. Western Digital My Passport WD6000MEA
    2. Yes

    3. Product ID: 0x0704

      Vendor ID: 0x1058  (Western Digital Technologies, Inc.)

      Version: 1.75

      Serial Number: 57442D57584E593038535530353336

      Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec

      Manufacturer: Western Digital

      Location ID: 0xfa130000 / 5

      Current Available (mA): 500

      Current Required (mA): 2

      Capacity: 500.11 GB (500,107,862,016 bytes)

      Removable Media: Yes

      Detachable Drive: Yes

      BSD Name: disk1

      Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)

      S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported

       5. Relatively slow, but reliable drive.

     

    1. Western Digital My Passport WDBAAB5000ACH
    2. Yes
    3. Product ID: 0x071a

      Vendor ID: 0x1058  (Western Digital Technologies, Inc.)

      Version: 20.19

      Serial Number: 57584C314142304132373531

      Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec

      Manufacturer: Western Digital

      Location ID: 0xfa130000 / 5

      Current Available (mA): 500

      Current Required (mA): 500

      Capacity: 500.08 GB (500,079,525,888 bytes)

      Removable Media: Yes

      Detachable Drive: Yes

      BSD Name: disk1

      Partition Map Type: MBR (Master Boot Record)

      S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported

       5. Relatively slow, but reliable drive.

     

    1. Western Digital My Passport WD5000ME-01
    2. Yes

    Product ID: 0x0704

      Vendor ID: 0x1058  (Western Digital Technologies, Inc.)

      Version: 1.75

      Serial Number: 57442D575833304136394B38323730

      Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec

      Manufacturer: Western Digital

      Location ID: 0xfa130000 / 5

      Current Available (mA): 500

      Current Required (mA): 2

      Capacity: 500.11 GB (500,107,862,016 bytes)

      Removable Media: Yes

      Detachable Drive: Yes

      BSD Name: disk1

      Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)

      S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported

       5. Relatively slow, but reliable drive.

     

    General data transfer speed comments on all of the above My Passport drives:

    • When directly connected to a 4th generation Time Capsule's USB port, I got an average of 28 MBps (write) & 85 MBps (read) speeds. Note: For this test the network path was between a 2012 Mac mini via Ethernet > Cisco RV180 router > via Ethernet > Time Capsule
  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Oct 30, 2014 7:58 PM in response to LaPastenague
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    Oct 30, 2014 7:58 PM in response to LaPastenague

    LaPastenague

     

    I am not sure how these can be integrated into your database. I have two enclosures with a SATA drive in each one.

     

    1. Macally S250U3B 

    2. Yes

    3.

    4.

    External USB 3.0:

     

      Product ID:   0x0569

      Vendor ID:    0x152d  (JMicron Technology Corp.)

      Version:       0.01

      Serial Number:        20130319000188

      Speed:        Up to 5 Gb/sec

      Manufacturer: PI-548

      Location ID:  0x15100000 / 12

      Current Available (mA):       900

      Current Required (mA):        2

      Capacity:     500.11 GB (500,107,862,016 bytes)

      Removable Media:      Yes

      Detachable Drive:     Yes

      BSD Name:     disk1

      Partition Map Type:   GPT (GUID Partition Table)

      S.M.A.R.T. status:    Not Supported

    5. It is fairly reliable, and seems to handle USB2 well. No additional power source is necessary.


    1. Macally S250UAB

    2. Yes

    3.

    4.

    USB2.0 /1394 B/1394A  Drive:

     

      Product ID:   0x000a

      Vendor ID:    0x0928  (Oxford Semiconductor Ltd.)

      Version:       0.00

      Serial Number:        2012071100002568

      Speed:        Up to 480 Mb/sec

      Manufacturer: PI-263

      Location ID:  0x14100000 / 13

      Current Available (mA):       500

      Current Required (mA):        0

      Capacity:     500.11 GB (500,107,862,016 bytes)

      Removable Media:      Yes

      Detachable Drive:     Yes

      BSD Name:     disk1

      Partition Map Type:   GPT (GUID Partition Table)

      S.M.A.R.T. status:    Not Supported

     

    5. It is reliable, and seems to be a good workhorse. No additional power source is necessary.

     

    http://i.imgur.com/uzQgLqF.png

    http://i.imgur.com/YPmXImG.png

     

    These two drives backup two Mac mini servers, one is 2010 with SL 10.6.8 Server, the other is a 2012 Mac mini with ML 10.8.5 Server.

  • by LaPastenague,

    LaPastenague LaPastenague Oct 30, 2014 9:04 PM in response to Tesserax
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    Oct 30, 2014 9:04 PM in response to Tesserax
    I got an average of 28 MBps (write) & 85 MBps (read) speeds.

    That is a lot better than expected.. I will have to go back and check my values. (You are using B for Bytes??)

     

      Current Available (mA): 500

      Current Required (mA): 500

    This makes sense for an unpowered drive..

     

    For the drives that only require 2mA are they powered or in a USB powered hub??

     

    Thanks for posting the info.

  • by LaPastenague,

    LaPastenague LaPastenague Oct 30, 2014 9:06 PM in response to Loner T
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    Oct 30, 2014 9:06 PM in response to Loner T

      Current Available (mA):       500

      Current Required (mA):        0

    When you comment, No additional power source is necessary is this a powered device or powered hub.. If it is directly plugged in I don't know how it can be 0.

     

    Thanks for posting the info.

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Oct 30, 2014 9:57 PM in response to LaPastenague
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    Oct 30, 2014 9:57 PM in response to LaPastenague

    The disks were unplugged from a 4th Gen TC and plugged into a Mac to get the USB details. They do not use external power source but draw power from the TC. I posted the output from System Profiler. Apologies for the confusion.

  • by Tenterden,

    Tenterden Tenterden Oct 30, 2014 10:45 PM in response to LaPastenague
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    Oct 30, 2014 10:45 PM in response to LaPastenague

    Good Afternoon Stingray

     

    1. Make and model

    LaCie Porsche Design P'9221 500GB USB 2.0 2.5" External Hard Drive

     

    2. Does it work directly on the TC?

    YES

     

    3. Does it work via a powered hub?

    Left blank as answer to 2 is YES.

     

    4. Plug into Mac, system information.

     

    P'9221 Mobile Drive:

    
 

      Product ID: 0x1058

      Vendor ID: 0x059f  (LaCie)

      Version: 0.06

      Serial Number: 00000000e485f4f700ad

      Speed: Up to 480 Mb/sec

      Manufacturer: LaCie

      Location ID: 0x24100000 / 3

      Current Available (mA): 500

      Current Required (mA): 0

      Capacity: 500.11 GB (500,107,862,016 bytes)

      Removable Media: Yes

      Detachable Drive: Yes

      BSD Name: disk4

      Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)

      S.M.A.R.T. status: Not Supported

      Volumes:

    EFI:

      Capacity: 209.7 MB (209,715,200 bytes)

      BSD Name: disk4s1

      Content: EFI

      Volume UUID: 0E239BC6-F960-3107-89CF-1C97F78BB46B

    LaCie:

      Capacity: 499.76 GB (499,763,888,128 bytes)

      Available: 450 GB (449,997,578,240 bytes)

      Writable: Yes

      File System: Journaled HFS+

      BSD Name: disk4s2

      Mount Point: /Volumes/LaCie

      Content: Apple_HFS


    Volume UUID: D6FBBCCB-94AA-3465-9DAB-6F4AFB77C59A

    
 

    5. Comments

    Bought about 2 years ago for Time Machine backups of my wife’s MacBook Air. No issues when connected directly. Recently removed from her desk and connected to current model Time Capsule 2TB and used for wireless backups. Fast enough and no connection issues as yet.


     

    6. USB chipset

    Not determined.

     

    I hope this may prove useful.

     

    Thanks.

  • by LaPastenague,

    LaPastenague LaPastenague Oct 30, 2014 11:14 PM in response to Tenterden
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    Oct 30, 2014 11:14 PM in response to Tenterden

    Thanks for adding your LaCie products.. the Macally and LaCie will clearly tend to be better tested to work in the Apple environment but it is good to see it confirmed.

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Oct 31, 2014 3:36 AM in response to LaPastenague
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    Oct 31, 2014 3:36 AM in response to LaPastenague

    LaPastenague wrote:

     

    the Macally and LaCie will clearly tend to be better tested to work in the Apple environment but it is good to see it confirmed.

    I have a Macally PHR100AC from circa 2001 that houses a 33GB PATA drive backing up a Windows NT/2K dual-boot. They are very nice enclosures, but tend to be on the expensive side. The S250U3B was USD60. I could have bought a 2TB external HD for USD90, but chose the Macally instead.

     

    Thanks for putting this together.

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