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Q: Enhanced dictation becoming clumsy.

I can't speak for plain old dictation (like that in Mountain Lion) but the enhanced dictation available in Mavericks has forgotten things that dictation in Mountain lion knew well.

 

For example, Mountain Lion knew that the spoken phrase, "iCloud" meant Apple's suite of cloud-based Apps and storage locations.

 

Next, Mavericks Dictation sometimes won't correctly execute the "New paragraph" command. It's clearly trying, two spaces appear after the last dictated text but it fails inconsistently and it does not appear to be app specific.

 

Mavericks Dictation likes to place Capital letters on words in the middle of sentences ( in the case of the capital C on the previous instance of the word, "capital", dictation correctly interpreted an unintentional command to capitalize the word "Capital") But, oftentimes, Dictation will simply throw a capital if you've paused speaking for a short period of time or, if you move the cursor to a point, earlier in the paragraph to make a correction, and then move it back.

 

Parentheses are not provided the requisite space before or sometimes after. Also, there are no advanced features like "scratch that", a tool that lets other dictation software allow you to strike the previously dictated word, sentence or entire paragraph. This would be a handy addition to Apple's "Enhanced" Dictation.

 

Below are these same four paragraphs. They were dictated using a high-quality microphone in an exceptionally quiet environment with the microphone volume adjusted properly in sound preferences on a mid 2012 MacBook Pro 2.7 i7 with 8 GB of RAM and a 1 TB SSD. I have coloured Dictation's mistakes, misinterpretations and omissions in red.

 

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I can't speak for plain old dictation(Like that in mountain lion) but the past dictation available in Mavericks has forgotten things that dictation in

mountain lion new well.

 

For example, Mountain lion new that the spoken phrase I cloud meant apples sweet of cloud-based Apps and storage locations.__Next, Mavericks dictation sometimes won't correctly exectute the "New paragraph" command. It's clearly trying, two spaces appear after the last dictated text but it sometimes fails and it's not app specific.

 

Mavericks Dictation

likes to place Capital letters on words in the middle of sentences(in the case of the C on the previous instance of the word,"Capital", dictation correctly Took the command to capitalize the word capital)but, oftentimes dictation will simply throw a capital if you've paused speaking for a short period of time or, if you move the cursor to a point, earlier in the paragraph to make a correction, and Then move it back.

 

Parentheses do not require the work was it space before or some time after. Also, There are no advanced features like "scratch that", the tool let unnamed dictation software allow you to strike the previously dictated word, sentence or entire paragraph. This would be a handy addition to apple's "enhanced" dictation.. ( Now Dictation refuses to dictate any further. But, after typing that sentence, Dictation resumed normal operation.)

 

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Posted on Jan 23, 2014 11:25 AM

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  • by ChangeAgent,

    ChangeAgent ChangeAgent Jun 24, 2014 11:51 PM in response to MacSavvyIT
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    Jun 24, 2014 11:51 PM in response to MacSavvyIT

    Same here and a few more, like capitalising a word after a ',' (comma).

     

    Can you teach it?

  • by SteveK9123,

    SteveK9123 SteveK9123 Jul 30, 2014 7:06 AM in response to ChangeAgent
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    Jul 30, 2014 7:06 AM in response to ChangeAgent

    The absolute number one error that is driving me nuts.  Most of the time, I get a capitalized word after a comma.  How can this error occur?  It is a basic grammatical rule.  Sentences do not end with a comma.

  • by JustinPaterson,

    JustinPaterson JustinPaterson Aug 28, 2014 12:39 AM in response to SteveK9123
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    Aug 28, 2014 12:39 AM in response to SteveK9123

    I have been experiencing similar problems, except in Mountain Lion. See here:

    Dictation behaviour with spaces and sentence starts

     

    As I posted there,  this behaviour started suddenly for me a short while ago. As you can see just before the word "this", Dictation placed a double space Where it should not,  and as above capitalised when I paused before saying the word "where". Aha,… Another double space...

     

    What seemed positive about this change is that whereas previously when you paused, the cursor was always glued to the last letter of the last word, and when you resume speaking it did not insert a gap;  this had to be done manually,  at least for me. Now, that little bug (or feature?) has gone but the extra space thing is just in overdrive. As you can see at the beginning of this paragraph, I also get a single space at the beginning of each paragraph.

  • by rick268,

    rick268 rick268 Sep 21, 2014 1:10 AM in response to JustinPaterson
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    Sep 21, 2014 1:10 AM in response to JustinPaterson

    While serving our country in the United States Navy, I sustained a serious injury that resulted in the loss of most of my left hand. When I told the sales Genius at the Apple Store that I was writing a novel on my iPhone using Siri, He capitalized on my handicap and convinced me to buy an expensive Mac, Promising that it could translate speech to text better and give me more control. He even sold me an expensive condenser microphone by convincing me that I wouldn't get accurate translations without it. Unfortunately, Dictation in Mavericks is so buggy that I'm back to translating with Siri on my iPhone!

     

    I'm really having a hard time wrapping my finger around the concept that my iPhone is smarter than my Mac... I have been dealing with this issue for over a year and now they're saying that the You'llSemite upgrade Will NOT have Siri. That just blows me away. Kicking out "enhanced dictation" for Siri should be a no-brainer.

     

    This whole fiasco is just preposterous and almost laughable that the iPhone is more powerful than Mac. Can anyone recommend an alternative program, Or software? I really need to finish this novel, Even if it means buying a PC…

  • by ChangeAgent,

    ChangeAgent ChangeAgent Sep 21, 2014 4:17 AM in response to rick268
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    Sep 21, 2014 4:17 AM in response to rick268

    sorry to hear about you bum purchase.  never believe a salesman not even at Apple, test before you buy. 

     

    As to Siri, I do not understand why that is not in the Mac.  I have posted a request to Apple to do so. Maybe others could do so too.

     

    https://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

  • by SteveK9123,

    SteveK9123 SteveK9123 Oct 22, 2014 10:36 AM in response to JustinPaterson
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    Oct 22, 2014 10:36 AM in response to JustinPaterson

    Tried adjusting my speech, talking fast after a comma.  Usually doesn't help.

     

    I'm wondering if I should update immediately to Yosemite.  Heard anything about whether this is better?

     

    Steve

  • by rick268,

    rick268 rick268 Oct 29, 2014 8:07 AM in response to SteveK9123
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    Oct 29, 2014 8:07 AM in response to SteveK9123

    It is light years better

  • by SteveK9123,

    SteveK9123 SteveK9123 Nov 10, 2014 12:49 PM in response to rick268
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    Nov 10, 2014 12:49 PM in response to rick268

    I wish that were true in the case of dictation. What I am finding is that it seems to have forgotten some of the training that it learned before. That's okay. But, the internal capitalization seems to be just as big a problem as it was before.

     

    It's very interesting that I am finding right now, That this works better in Safari, Than it does in word. Though you can see a few capitalizations after commas in the previous sentence. Just before I updated to Yosemite, I found that highlighting a word and speaking it over would at least substitute a non-capitalized version of the word.

     

    Right now that still seems be working in the mail program, Or even here. But it does not work in Word no matter how many times I correct it.

     

    It's really baffling to understand why dictation should work differently in different applications. Perhaps there are some things in word I can turn off, But I haven't found them yet.

  • by ChangeAgent,

    ChangeAgent ChangeAgent Nov 11, 2014 1:43 AM in response to SteveK9123
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    Nov 11, 2014 1:43 AM in response to SteveK9123

    Nice one, I had only tried it in Word and indeed it behaves different in Safari. 

     

    Have you reported this issue to Apple?  I have.

  • by Regnad Kcin,

    Regnad Kcin Regnad Kcin Nov 11, 2014 3:45 PM in response to rick268
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    Nov 11, 2014 3:45 PM in response to rick268

    @rick268: "It is light years better"

     

    My experience with Yosemite is that the dictation got WAY worse. It capitalizes so many words so randomly that it is almost unusable.

  • by JustinPaterson,

    JustinPaterson JustinPaterson Nov 13, 2014 3:24 AM in response to Regnad Kcin
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    Nov 13, 2014 3:24 AM in response to Regnad Kcin

    I finally took the plunge and upgraded my Mountain Lion to Mavericks as a last resort. The enhanced dictation is now working very efficiently. I have however just noticed that it functions better in MS Word than when speaking to this HTML box… (a few edits required) I have seen this type of issue mentioned elsewhere.

  • by daxelrad,

    daxelrad daxelrad Nov 19, 2014 11:10 AM in response to MacSavvyIT
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    Nov 19, 2014 11:10 AM in response to MacSavvyIT

    I found that the solution to this problem is simply to turn off enhanced dictation. I no longer get any of the issues described above.

  • by Regnad Kcin,

    Regnad Kcin Regnad Kcin Nov 19, 2014 11:28 AM in response to daxelrad
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    Nov 19, 2014 11:28 AM in response to daxelrad

    Yes, daxelrad, if you don't use a program, then none of the bugs in that program will affect you.

  • by daxelrad,

    daxelrad daxelrad Nov 19, 2014 11:31 AM in response to Regnad Kcin
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    Nov 19, 2014 11:31 AM in response to Regnad Kcin

    That's a rather snarky response. What I meant was, that you can still use dictation, just don't use the enhanced feature (in other words uncheck the box) and everything else works the way it always has.

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