tomstephens89

Q: OSX Yosemite Wifi issues

Hi there,

 

I upgraded my Macbook Pro Retina 15" (mid 2014 revision) to OS X Yosemite last night and am now having issues when using my home WiFi connection. Whilst it connects to either the 5Ghz or 2.4Ghz network, it is basically unusable. Web pages take minutes to load (if they even load at all), dropbox doesn't sync because it can't get a connection and even trying to get to the router config page is extremely slow and hit/miss.

 

Tethering to my iPhone seems to work ok, as does using my home network via wired ethernet.

 

Are any others having problems with Yosemite? Wifi was working fine on Mavericks.

 

Tom

MacBook Pro with Retina display, OS X Yosemite (10.10)

Posted on Oct 17, 2014 12:37 AM

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  • by nik_qc,

    nik_qc nik_qc Dec 8, 2014 2:29 PM in response to tomstephens89
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    Dec 8, 2014 2:29 PM in response to tomstephens89

    I also can definitely report WiFi issues with my Retina MBP that started after upgrading to Yosemite. The most obvious issue is the speed. I even started blaming my Internet provider for speed issues...until I did a test over ethernet connection. I have 20 Mbit down / 10 up connection and I used to test its speed using speedtest.net many times from my MBP. I was always getting almost precise 20.7 down and something like 9.7 up. After upgrading to Yosemite when I run the same test I get barely 12-13 Mbit/s down and 4-7 up. Very inconsistent but always way lower than when running the same test over ethernet connection. I did not change the router (Apple TimeCapsule by the way).

  • by therealikt,

    therealikt therealikt Dec 8, 2014 3:18 PM in response to MattyB199
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    Dec 8, 2014 3:18 PM in response to MattyB199

    This is the new Apple my friend! Routinely releasing major products with known, egregious bugs, in order to hit shareholder timelines.

     

    OSX Yosemite has sold a lot of PC's.

  • by nhcowboy,

    nhcowboy nhcowboy Dec 8, 2014 4:23 PM in response to therealikt
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    Dec 8, 2014 4:23 PM in response to therealikt

       I'm in the middle of a long time machine restore back to Mavericks, my internet was completely dead no matter what "fix"

    I tried. I tried very single one this forum had to offer. What a disaster Yosemite is, it's cost me way too much oost time and money in my business, I can't even go online to print a usps label.

    It takes me ten minutes to get to that page and a 955 kb label takes 16 minutes to download, even though my Ookla speed test clocks me in at 28mb/s. I have a late 2012 mini mac with a brand new airport extreme router, everything Mac. Airport utility shows the airport router constantly connected yet the globe internet icon drops off constantly, and even if it decides to be on trying, to go to any web page is a dismal failure. What a boat anchor! Never again will I look at Apple products as quality products that just work and are intuitive. I shouldn't have to spend weeks entering in terminal commands, resetting router and sytem settings, rebooting, zapping Pram, power cycling the modem and router, you name it. All of this futility to try in vain to perform the most basic tadk of going online, only to go back to Mavericks where I was before ths failure of an operating system. Thanks a lot Apple, as if I don't have enough on my plate this time of year tryng to keep customers happy and me in a job. Steve Jobs would never let this company get so far away from the basics of just plain workable products.

  • by etkal,

    etkal etkal Dec 8, 2014 4:27 PM in response to tomstephens89
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    Dec 8, 2014 4:27 PM in response to tomstephens89

    When testing, do not use your internet provider as a reference or measurement point - only use resources on your local network.  Adding your internet router only adds an element of variability which is already inherently unstable.

  • by nik_qc,

    nik_qc nik_qc Dec 8, 2014 5:20 PM in response to etkal
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    Dec 8, 2014 5:20 PM in response to etkal

    True, but when comparing two identical scenarios where the only difference is new version of OS and everything else is the same....

  • by etkal,

    etkal etkal Dec 8, 2014 5:58 PM in response to nik_qc
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    Dec 8, 2014 5:58 PM in response to nik_qc

    Even where your local environment only differs by OS, using resources across your internet provider to make measurements introduces a huge variable.  On the same system within the span of minutes I can get wildly variable results when accessing resources outside my local network but across the "internet".

     

    My point was that when performing measurements for statistical comparison you need to eliminate as many variables as possible, ideally restricting data transfers to your local network using known consistent servers and transports.  Otherwise your results are not truly meaningful.

     

    {Edit} Note that I am not disagreeing that there is a problem with OS X 10.10.1 Yosemite wi-fi - there *is* a serious problem.  I'm just saying that when reporting issues that the loading of web pages from the "internet" is anecdotal and indeterminate by definition.  Statistical analysis of data transfer across a controlled network is much more useful to developers (believe me, I've looked at my share of wireshark traces) than slow web pages whose content and remote server performance dependencies is unknown.

  • by jilloopy dillupunkt,

    jilloopy dillupunkt jilloopy dillupunkt Dec 8, 2014 8:22 PM in response to nik_qc
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    Dec 8, 2014 8:22 PM in response to nik_qc

    Some more info to add to the thread. This was a network hardware focused test I tried after running through the other suggestions on this thread – deleting network config files, switching channels, disabling Airdrop (which my 2008 iMac doesn't have as far as I can tell), turning off bluetooth, etc.

     

    The basics are:

     

    2 x iPhone 5s: one running 8.1.1; one running 7.1.1

    1 x Macbook Pro, mid 2012, running 10.9.4

    1 x iPad 2011 running 7.1

    1 x 2008 iMac running 10.10.1

    1 x 2013 Airport Express 7.6.4

    1 x 2012 Airport Extreme 7.6.4

     

    Prior to Yosemite update I was consistently getting 50+MBPs download, 40+ upload across all devices. After initial Yosemite, IOS and Aiport Ext/Exp updates I saw speed drop across all devices to about 10 – 14 MBPs for a week, then back to normal. After installing 10.10.1 all devices experienced a major drop in download speed, 1.5 to 2.7 MBPs on average.

     

    Called Apple and they suggested I change out the Airport express, their tech did not acknowledge at all that wifi issues were a common problem with Yosemite. After the basics, "Please unplug your...", the tech told me that the problem was my Airport Express and that I should bring it in to the store.

     

    I didn't bother bringing it in to the store but instead bought a new Extreme and Express to do some testing with. Here are the results:

     

    Ethernet cable to Macbook: 121.34 MBPs down/52.12 MBPs up

     

    (Extreme is about 40 feet away down an unobstructed hallway. Express is about 15 feet away, also unobstructed.)

     

    2012 Extreme

    iPhone5s / 8.1.1 – 5.32 mbps down / .34 mbps up

    iPhone5s / 7.1.1. – 24.12mbps down / 31.19 mbps up

    iPad / 7.1 – 31.87 mbps down / 27.75 mbps up

    iMac / 10.10.1 – 15.76 mbps down / 7.45 up

    Macbook / 10.9.4 – .7mbps down / 1.3 mbps up

     

    2012 Extreme/2013Express

    iPhone5s / 8.1.1 – 1.23mbps down / 3.21 mbps up

    iPhone5s / 7.1.1. – 32.12mbps down / 41.56 mbps up

    iPad / 7.1 – 48.49 mbps down / 36.21 mbps up

    iMac / 10.10.1 – 3.37 mbps down / 13.03 up

    Macbook / 10.9.4 – .5mbps down / 2.4 mbps up

     

    2012 Extreme/2014 Express

    iPhone5s / 8.1.1 – 3.73mbps down / 8.98 mbps up

    iPhone5s / 7.1.1. – 35.31mbps down / 44.36 mbps up

    iPad / 7.1 – 50.78 mbps down / 39.11 mbps up

    iMac / 10.10.1 – 6.13 mbps down / 17.63 up

    Macbook / 10.9.4 – 1.21 mbps down / 4.12 mbps up

     

    2014 Extreme

    iPhone5s / 8.1.1 – 6.12 mbps down / 1.87 mbps up

    iPhone5s / 7.1.1. – 29.61mbps down / 40.74 mbps up

    iPad / 7.1 – 42.39 mbps down / 29.12 mbps up

    iMac / 10.10.1 – 23.92 mbps down / 41.12 up

    Macbook / 10.9.4 – 1.91 mbps down / 2.13 mbps up

     

    2014 Extreme/2013 Express

    iPhone5s / 8.1.1 – 7.32 mbps down / 2.37 mbps up

    iPhone5s / 7.1.1. – 27.49 mbps down / 43.12 mbps up

    iPad / 7.1 – 37.01 mbps down / 32.89 mbps up

    iMac / 10.10.1 – 11.78 mbps down / 18.91 up

    Macbook / 10.9.4 – 1.78 mbps down / 1.17 mbps up

     

    2014 Extreme/2014 Express

    iPhone5s / 8.1.1 – 5.98 mbps down / 2.42 mbps up

    iPhone5s / 71.1. – 32.91mbps down / 41.26 mbps up

    iPad / 7.1 – 54.79 mbps down / 42.14 mbps up

    iMac / 10.10.1 – 10.6.1 mbps down / 16.91 up

    Macbook / 10.9.4 – .97 mbps down / 1.43 mbps up

     

    Overall the devices not upgraded performed in their normal range. (Excepting for the Macbook, I replaced the motherboard a few months back after it was water damaged – cold plane, warm battery : condensation – and am now wondering if the antenna was damaged as well.) All the Yosemite/IOS upgrades performed terribly across all configurations. However, the surprising result for me is that unplugging the Express stations used as range extenders and just using the Extreme base stations resulted in a big jump in speed. I'm wondering now if the the Extreme and Express are having a difficult time synching and that is contributing to the loss of speed on my particular set up.

     

    Considering the results I'll be returning the new Extreme and Express stations I purchased and just running the wireless off the 2012 Extreme until Apple fixes this bug.

     

    Have they bothered to release an official acknowledgement that there even is a problem yet? Or are we just going to get a side reference at the next dog and pony show?

  • by admin501,

    admin501 admin501 Dec 8, 2014 8:56 PM in response to nhcowboy
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    Dec 8, 2014 8:56 PM in response to nhcowboy

    Slow page loading and slow downloads are caused by not having DNS entries in your network preferences.

    Try 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4

  • by eas2156,

    eas2156 eas2156 Dec 8, 2014 9:04 PM in response to admin501
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    Dec 8, 2014 9:04 PM in response to admin501

    doesn't the computer use router settings?

    on the router you can either use the dns from your isp or put in your own primary and secondary dns

    I didnt try your idea yet and it wouldn't hurt, I just don't think this is issue

    ill try your idea tomorrow though and see (i have slower speeds too)

  • by Davnkaz,

    Davnkaz Davnkaz Dec 9, 2014 3:28 AM in response to tomstephens89
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    Dec 9, 2014 3:28 AM in response to tomstephens89

    So the latest with me and this Yosemite wifi bug. Tried to reset apple TV, now the **** thing  cannot connect to my library.

     

    Over this whole nonsense now!

    C'mon Apple please sort this out!!

  • by eas2156,

    eas2156 eas2156 Dec 9, 2014 11:36 AM in response to eas2156
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    Dec 9, 2014 11:36 AM in response to eas2156

    re: "ill try your idea tomorrow though and see..."

    update: no change to speed, by putting DNS entries in network preferences

    but any ideas are better than none, so good try

  • by Bob7777,

    Bob7777 Bob7777 Dec 9, 2014 12:25 PM in response to tomstephens89
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    Dec 9, 2014 12:25 PM in response to tomstephens89

    One thing that I haven't seen in all these posts (there's a lot, so may have missed it) is that with my Yosemite experience I see that Safari works much worse than it used to even when the network isn't dropping. Many people are reporting slowdowns, etc, but on my system I only see evidence of this in Safari. I surfed the same pages (mostly generic stuff like NY Times and weather.com) in Safari and Firefox and Chrome. Safari (which is a new version with the Yosemite bundle) is much worse than Firefox or Chrome. Has anyone else noticed this ?

  • by mccosha,

    mccosha mccosha Dec 9, 2014 12:41 PM in response to eas2156
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    Dec 9, 2014 12:41 PM in response to eas2156
  • by mccosha,

    mccosha mccosha Dec 9, 2014 12:42 PM in response to Davnkaz
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    Dec 9, 2014 12:42 PM in response to Davnkaz

    what does the console say when you try to connect? my apple TV is working fine with Y.

  • by mccosha,

    mccosha mccosha Dec 9, 2014 12:43 PM in response to admin501
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    Dec 9, 2014 12:43 PM in response to admin501

    8.8.8.8 actually slowed me down.

    https://code.google.com/p/namebench/ will tell you which DNSs are best for your specific use depending on your area and your ISP

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