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Jan 13, 2015 10:49 AM in response to kpdesignsby judysings,Hi kpdesigns,
Thanks for the question. You can choose to delete font collections from your Mac if you wish. The following resources will show you how:
OS X Yosemite: Customize font collections
http://support.apple.com/kb/PH18453?viewlocale=en_USThe Fonts window groups similar fonts into collections, such as Fun or Modern. You can add or remove fonts in these collections, or create your own collections.
In an app that uses the Fonts window, open the window by choosing Format > Show Fonts, or Format > Font > Show Fonts.
Do any of the following:
Create a collection: Click Add
below the Collection column, then type a name for the collection. Add a font to a collection: Drag a font family or typeface to a collection.
Remove a font from a collection: Drag the font out from the Fonts window. The font remains on your Mac, but is no longer available in the Fonts window.
Delete a collection: Select it in the list, then click Delete
below the Collection column. Mark a font as a favorite: Drag a font from the Typeface column to the Favorites collection in the Collection column. Or select a font, click the Action pop-up menu
, then choose Add to Favorites.
For more information about working with fonts, open Font Book.
Mac Basics: Font Book - Apple Support
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201749Remove a font with Font Book
To remove a font using Font Book, select All Fonts in the Collection column, select the name of the font in the Font column, then choose File > Remove "Font Name" Family. Font Book will move those font files into the Trash.
System fonts can't be removed.
I hope this information helps ....
- Judy
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Jan 13, 2015 10:54 AM in response to judysingsby kpdesigns,I looked in Font Book and the foreign fonts are not even listed in there. I have a feeling they could be somewhere else that font book can't see?
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Jan 13, 2015 11:22 AM in response to kpdesignsby Kurt Lang,Many of the foreign fonts are in the System folder, and Font Book won't display those, much less let you remove them. There are tons more foreign fonts in the root Library folder.
Good news is, of the 280 fonts (the files themselves) Yosemite installs, you can remove most of them without affecting how the OS or its apps function. I don't know about you, but I'm neither blind or have very poor vision, so what do I need the Braille fonts on my system for? I can't read any Kanji characters, so why do I need any Asian fonts on my system?
I have a detailed font article you can look over; Font Management in OS X. Section one explains which are the minimum fonts that should be in the /System/Library/Fonts/ folder, and the root /Library/Fonts/ folder.
Or, just compare to this list of the installed fonts on my Mac and make yours the same. Copy all fonts to another location first. Then you can activate any of those you remove with your font manager the same as any other font. They don't need to go back into the folders they came from.
System folder:
Apple Color Emoji.ttf
AppleSDGothicNeo-Bold.otf
AppleSDGothicNeo-Regular.otf
Courier.dfont
Geneva.dfont
Helvetica.dfont
HelveticaNeue.dfont
HelveticaNeueDeskInterface.ttc
Keyboard.ttf
LastResort.ttf
LucidaGrande.ttc
Menlo.ttc
Monaco.dfont
Symbol.ttf
Times.dfont
ZapfDingbats.ttf (Not really necessary. I don't have this one installed.)
Library folder (root, not your user account):
AppleGothic.ttf
Arial Black.ttf
Arial Bold Italic.ttf
Arial Bold.ttf
Arial Italic.ttf
Arial Narrow Bold Italic.ttf
Arial Narrow Bold.ttf
Arial Narrow Italic.ttf
Arial Narrow.ttf
Arial Rounded Bold.ttf
Arial.ttf
Comic Sans MS Bold.ttf
Comic Sans MS.ttf
Georgia Bold Italic.ttf
Georgia Bold.ttf
Georgia Italic.ttf
Georgia.ttf
Impact.ttf
Tahoma Bold.ttf
Tahoma.ttf
Times New Roman Bold Italic.ttf
Times New Roman Bold.ttf
Times New Roman Italic.ttf
Times New Roman.ttf
Trebuchet MS Bold Italic.ttf
Trebuchet MS Bold.ttf
Trebuchet MS Italic.ttf
Trebuchet MS.ttf
Verdana Bold Italic.ttf
Verdana Bold.ttf
Verdana Italic.ttf
Verdana.ttf
Webdings.ttf
Wingdings 2.ttf
Wingdings 3.ttf
Wingdings.ttf
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Jan 13, 2015 11:25 AM in response to Kurt Langby kpdesigns,I did follow your recommendations, but I am still unsure of why I see these fonts hanging around in my font list. What do you think of these?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21231523/Screen.png
I know 2 of them have to be there because they are in the system folder, but the others are a mystery.
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Jan 13, 2015 11:41 AM in response to kpdesignsby Kurt Lang,The Adobe apps install those fonts and only the Adobe apps see them because of where they're located. They're also all over the place. They're repeated over and over for each Adobe app and are buried within each application package for Photoshop, Illustrator, Bridge, etc. No idea why.
For Photoshop, you would right click on the app itself and choose "Show Package Contents". Then drill down through:
/Contents/Required/PDFL/Resource/Fonts
There will be 27 .otf fonts and two Windows formatted Type 1 PostScript fonts (only the Adobe apps can read Windows PS 1 fonts within OS X, no version of the Mac OS can, or ever has been able to).
Be very careful removing these fonts. I've never tested to see if removing any of them will cause the app you pull them out of to fail to launch.
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Jan 13, 2015 11:44 AM in response to Kurt Langby kpdesigns,I suspect if adobe installs them they are probably necessary. I like my font list to be small and easily readable, so I wanted to get rid of those extra fonts, but now I'm concerned about touching them.
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Jan 13, 2015 11:54 AM in response to kpdesignsby Kurt Lang,Easy enough to test. I just now moved all of the .otf fonts out of the embedded fonts folder for Photoshop, and it came up the same as always. No errors, no funny menus. I would bet the only fonts it cares about in its "Required" folder are the two PS1 fonts.
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Jan 13, 2015 11:57 AM in response to Kurt Langby kpdesigns,Well if you did it, then I'll try too! Thanks.
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Jan 13, 2015 12:09 PM in response to kpdesignsby Kurt Lang,Spoke too soon. Photoshop still works as expected, but a lot of fonts that are not on OS X's folder still appear in the list of fonts PS displays when I use the text tool. So it's likely reading the fonts from any other Adobe app it can find them in.
The same fonts (plus a couple more) are also in the main Library folder under Application Support / Adobe. I moved all of those out and emptied the embedded Fonts folder in PS CC 2014. And still, all of these Adobe fonts show up in the list:
You'd have to hunt down the duplicated fonts in every Adobe app, move them all out and see if anything still works. If not, then put them back. Besides the root Library folder under Application Support, the same one are duplicated within each of these CC 2014 apps:
Photoshop
Illustrator
Acrobat ProAfter Effects
Bridge
InDesign (twice! for this one, believe it or not, in two separate subfolders)
Media Encoder
Premiere Pro
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Jan 13, 2015 1:24 PM in response to Kurt Langby Kurt Lang,This is really strange. I removed and deleted every single Arabic, Hebrew and otherwise font from every location on the drive. I dismounted another physical drive the same fonts I know would be on (I have the same Adobe apps installed under a Yosemite partition). I even disconnected my Mac from the Internet. The same fonts keep appearing in every Adobe app. Not just show up, actually work. So there are actual fonts somewhere.
I also searched the entire drive with EasyFind, allowing it to search in all application packages and hidden folders. Nothing.
James Garnham asked the same question on Adobe's forums, trying to find out how to remove all of these "invisible" Adobe fonts to get them out of his lists. No one has answered it, not even the Adobe specialists. There's nothing on the Internet in general I can find out about these fonts or their locations.
Can't even begin to guess why Adobe is protecting these fonts to the hilt. I don't need them, and I would imagine most other people don't want, or need them, either.
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Jan 13, 2015 1:27 PM in response to Kurt Langby kpdesigns,I heard there is an app called monolingual that removes fonts. Is that a possibility?
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Jan 13, 2015 1:31 PM in response to kpdesignsby Kurt Lang,Monolingual removes unused foreign language files, not fonts.
Since I can't find any .otf or .ttf fonts anywhere on the drive for these "hidden" items, then they have to be compressed in another file the Adobe apps read and load when launched.
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Jan 14, 2015 9:02 AM in response to kpdesignsby Kurt Lang,Okay, more info on the Adobe apps. It installs over a GB of what turns out to be useless fonts in numerous folders. I emptied every single Fonts folder within each application package that had them, and also emptied the same fonts from the /Library/Application Support/Adobe/… folder.
This "fixed" almost all of the apps to show only fonts that are actually active on the system. And something I rather didn't expect, it didn't affect a single app. Not even InDesign, which not only had the same fonts in two separate folder within its application package, but one was also in the "Required" folder. Didn't faze it at all. The app still launched and behaved completely normally.
So in the end, this is how all of the apps which had embedded fonts show their font lists after clearing them out.
Acrobat Pro and Bridge work as expected. (Why did these apps have the same embedded fonts in the first place?)
After Effects, InDesign, Media Encoder and Premiere Pro work as expected and show only the actual active fonts. Premiere Pro works as expected even with its embedded "Required" fonts folder emptied.
Illustrator works as expected, but continues to list Myriad Roman (shown as missing). Also Myriad Pro and an Adobe Asian font of some sort (both available, but nowhere to be found) in its font list.
Photoshop
The bad boy. Continues to show many fonts nowhere to be found. The image here shows all of the fonts (highlighted) that cannot be found anywhere on the drive, which still not only show up in Photoshop's list, but also work. So they are live fonts PS is loading from somewhere on launch. The rest are all of the active fonts I expect to see in all apps.
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Oct 11, 2015 2:09 AM in response to Kurt Langby Sparky Marky,Hi Kurt
I'm using CC 2015 most up to date version.
I've just tried to moved the superflous fonts out of the InDesign > Resources > Required > Fonts folder and into a folder on my desktop. Much to my surprise instead of moving the fonts, they remain in the original folder and the "moved" fonts are aliases. It seems that Adobe are protecting these fonts and make it difficult to move / get rid of them.
I presume there won't be any font conflict between the Minion and Myriad fonts installed by CC and the Minion and Myriad fonts I use dayly that I have placed in my Home > Libary > Fonts folder?


