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Q: where to download OS X mavericks (trying jan/2015) for clean install

hello,

 

i heard mavericks is not available for downloading anymore, any other web (safe) or way i can get Mavericks to download? specially for a clean install usb - emergency reason, since i am going to attempt to install yosemite on my late 2013 mac retina, (which has mavericks already)

 

If i didn't prev download it with an apple ID

 

I appreciate any help

MacBook Pro with Retina display, OS X Mavericks (10.9.5), null

Posted on Jan 17, 2015 4:43 PM

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Q: where to download OS X mavericks (trying jan/2015) for clean install

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  • by babowa,Helpful

    babowa babowa Jan 19, 2015 7:58 PM in response to iphonemon
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    Jan 19, 2015 7:58 PM in response to iphonemon

    Although Internet Recovery will reinstall the originally installed OS version - in your case that seems to be 10.9 - but it will install the most current version of it, which is 10.9.5. After booting into Internet Recovery and when you see the Utilities window, use Disk utility to erase your hard drive. When that is finished, choose to reinstall OS X. When that is finished (it is a very large file and will take a while), you should see the installer window pop open. Hit install and let it install (at that point, you do not have a choice because you erased your hard drive, so you have to system to start with). It will automatically create a recovery partition which is hidden and you won't see it.

     

    Once that is all finished, you can create a complete bootable clone copy on an external hard drive or you can use Time Machine (also on an external hard drive). You really want to use a hard drive for these.

     

    You can also download the installer again to have a fresh installer handy - simply go back to the app store and download it. When the download is finished, you will find a copy of it in your Applications folder. Copy it to a safe place for possible later use.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jan 20, 2015 3:28 AM in response to dot.com
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    Jan 20, 2015 3:28 AM in response to dot.com

    dot.com wrote:

     

    I can't really tell where it has put it (and I've been trying for over an hour), but in your case it won't matter, since you want to completely erase the disk and be able to install Mavericks after trying out Yosemite in case you don't like Yosemite -- right? In my case I can't risk wiping out my disk, cause it's too hard to restore everything as I have several hundred GB's of stuff - big difference in doing your 15GB of stuff and my 1TB+.

    If you have a backup that is too difficult to restore you don't have a backup

     

    Re-evaluate your backup system before you need it.

  • by dot.com,

    dot.com dot.com Jan 20, 2015 1:24 PM in response to Csound1
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    Jan 20, 2015 1:24 PM in response to Csound1

    I guess I didn't make my point clear enough. I had no wish to actually do the Internet Recovery to verify how it worked because restoring over a TB of stuff would have taken a long long time, compared to the OP only taking a relatively small amount of time. I simply didn't want to do the real thing that he was asking how to do as I don't have any problems with my system - knock on wood.

     

    My backup system is Time Machine and it has worked quite well over the years.

     

    It's not too difficult if I really need to do the restore - just too difficult to for a simple verification test. Hope you can understand the difference.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jan 20, 2015 1:26 PM in response to dot.com
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    Jan 20, 2015 1:26 PM in response to dot.com

    The only backup that matters is one that you can restore, until you test that you may or may not have a backup.

     

    But it's not my data.

  • by dot.com,

    dot.com dot.com Jan 20, 2015 2:30 PM in response to Csound1
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    Jan 20, 2015 2:30 PM in response to Csound1

    I guess you don't understand - but thanks for the advice.

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Jan 20, 2015 2:41 PM in response to dot.com
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    Jan 20, 2015 2:41 PM in response to dot.com

    You might want to consider creating a bootable clone of your system on an external drive - it's about as painless as can be to restore from that. Simply boot into it, wipe your hard drive, and clone back. It's also easy to test it: if you can boot into it, it's good to go.

  • by dot.com,

    dot.com dot.com Jan 20, 2015 3:52 PM in response to babowa
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    Jan 20, 2015 3:52 PM in response to babowa

    The OP is the one with the problem  -- not me.

     

    Not sure why I'm getting all this advice - I'm just trying to offer help to the OP.

     

    If you guys don't like Time Machine then don't use it. I think it's overkill to clone an entire drive to backup a few updated files, not to mention a heck of a lot of wear and tear on the drive that is just gonna wear the drive out all the faster doing clone after clone after clone of over 1TB of stuff everytime you clone a disk.

     

    Thanks but no thanks...

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Jan 20, 2015 3:58 PM in response to dot.com
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    Jan 20, 2015 3:58 PM in response to dot.com

    Well, you don't clone all of it every time - you simply update your clone. Not any more wear and tear than TM. You're getting suggestions because of what you said in previous posts. But that'll be my last comment here.

  • by dot.com,

    dot.com dot.com Jan 20, 2015 4:04 PM in response to babowa
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    Jan 20, 2015 4:04 PM in response to babowa

    What previous post are you referring to that I asked for any help? Perhaps you're reading more into something than I meant?

  • by iphonemon,

    iphonemon iphonemon Jan 21, 2015 8:53 AM in response to dot.com
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    Jan 21, 2015 8:53 AM in response to dot.com

    hahaha i think there was a confusion with your posts or mine, but I did take in account cloning and TM. Appreciated these suggestions. Both need external drives and to me seems similar.

    I understand that for a complete back up these are my options.

     

    I've seen how to use TM  but have to get a tutorial for the carbon cloner since I don't wanna do anything wrong.

  • by iphonemon,

    iphonemon iphonemon Jan 21, 2015 8:56 AM in response to babowa
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    Jan 21, 2015 8:56 AM in response to babowa

    babowa wrote:


    - in your case that seems to be 10.9 - but it will install the most current version of it, which is 10.9.5. After booting into Internet Recovery and when you see the Utilities window, use Disk utility to erase your hard drive. When that is finished, choose to reinstall OS X. When that is finished (it is a very large file and will take a while), you should see the installer window pop open. Hit install and let it install

     

    Thanks for the info. So thats how my mac has 10.9.5 currently.  just a question.... when doing this process, do i need to log onto applestore? will it matter if i never downloaded the mavericks previously? will it only factory install with no problem?

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Jan 21, 2015 10:10 AM in response to iphonemon
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    Jan 21, 2015 10:10 AM in response to iphonemon

    Yes you will need to be logged in and, since yours came with 10.9.x installed, you can download it again (even though you've not previously downloaded it). If you erase the drive, it should do a "fresh" install (the way it came originally) - of course, none of your stuff will be there; you will need to restore it from your backup.

  • by dot.com,

    dot.com dot.com Jan 21, 2015 7:52 PM in response to iphonemon
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    Jan 21, 2015 7:52 PM in response to iphonemon

    I've no idea what babowa and csound1 were really referring to or complaining about -- and it looks like they've left the conversation.

     

    Perhaps cloning software now-a-days is smart enough to only save the portions of the disk that have changed since the last time it was cloned. Like I said, I don't use cloning software and don't know how they work. Cloning has been around a long time and when I last used it a copy of the volume was made to another drive - a complete copy block-by-block - no files involved just copying disk blocks - very fast and efficient but no file history like TM does. If they do some sort of "intelligent" copying now that's great so that only changes made since the last clone was done are actually copied. But cloning gives you no "history" of changes like TM gives you - a big drawback IMO.

     

    But the upside of the cloning programs, I guess, is that you have a disk that is "bootable" (I guess so anyway) and up-to-date (if you are good about running the cloning software regularly) with very little additional effort (granted TM does take a long time to restore an entire volume - for a big multi-TB disk it might be a day or two but how often do you need to do a full restore - I would bet more than 99% of the time you are after a single file or folder that needs to be retrieved from the backup). So guess people need to decide what is more important for how they work - a backup with history capabilities like TM so that you can get at multiple versions of files as they were backed up on specific dates/times with the capability of restoring an entire logical disk, or a quick solution to restoring the last-made-copy/clone of the volume and not have any history options. Depends on your needs and both solutions are good for what they are designed. But for me the ease of use in getting at one of several different versions of a file with a few clicks in TM is the preferred choice and if I need to can restore the entire volume. With cloning solutions you get the latter but will never ever get the former.

     

    Hope you've gotten lots of good info about your options with regard to how/where to get at Mavericks in case you want to after installing Yosemite. Whichever way you end up going, good luck...

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jan 22, 2015 2:17 AM in response to dot.com
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    Jan 22, 2015 2:17 AM in response to dot.com

    dot.com wrote:

     

    I've no idea what babowa and csound1 were really referring to or complaining about -- and it looks like they've left the conversation.

     

    Perhaps cloning software now-a-days is smart enough to only save the portions of the disk that have changed since the last time it was cloned. Like I said, I don't use cloning software and don't know how they work.

    Then quit commenting on the subject

     

    Clonong software "now-a-days" is smart enough, has been for 10 years or so.

     

    Please, get yourself up to date!

  • by dot.com,

    dot.com dot.com Jan 22, 2015 11:38 AM in response to Csound1
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    Jan 22, 2015 11:38 AM in response to Csound1

    I stand by what I said - cloning disks has it's place as does TM backups - they both have pluses and minuses. Seems like you're the one not able to grasp that concept. So perhaps you need to bring yourself up-to-date. Thanks for the input.

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