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Q: Connects to WiFi but does not use it?

I have several iPhone users in a company office.  All of them appear to connect to the company WiFi access point but the WiFi logo does not show up in the upper left and the iPhone appears to be using the 3g or 4g network instead of WiFi.  All Android devices in the company work fine.  What is the problem?

iPhone 6, iOS 8.1.2

Posted on Jan 26, 2015 2:00 PM

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  • by edmuseer,

    edmuseer edmuseer Jan 27, 2015 7:41 AM in response to Lawrence Finch
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    Jan 27, 2015 7:41 AM in response to Lawrence Finch

    Here's the screen.  As I was doing this I noticed some other odd behavior.  I tried turning LTE off with Cellular enabled and the WiFi icon appeared for about 5 seconds.  Similarly, with both LTE and Cellular turned off, when I enable Cellular, the wifi icon appears briefly for about 5 seconds.  When cellular is off, the wifi signal is strong at 4 or 5 bars.

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  • by Lawrence Finch,

    Lawrence Finch Lawrence Finch Jan 27, 2015 8:17 AM in response to edmuseer
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    Jan 27, 2015 8:17 AM in response to edmuseer

    I've never seen an issue like this before. WiFi works, but its giving preference to LTE. It shouldn't do that. Have you tried using a different WiFi network?

     

    I see that you have TTY enabled on the phone. I don't think that has anything to do with it, and I've tried enabling TTY on my phone, and it doesn't reproduce your issue. The setting for TTY is in Settings/Phone.

     

    I think you need to contact Apple's Enterprise Services support.

  • by edmuseer,

    edmuseer edmuseer Jan 27, 2015 8:58 AM in response to Lawrence Finch
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    Jan 27, 2015 8:58 AM in response to Lawrence Finch

    I've just confirmed a 4th user with an iPhone having the same issue.  All 4 of these phones work at the users home WiFi routers.  Android phones and laptop wifi have no trouble.  I'm using a brand new ASUS RT-AC66U router.

     

    How do I contact Apple Enterprise services?

  • by ManSinha,

    ManSinha ManSinha Jan 27, 2015 9:12 AM in response to edmuseer
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    Jan 27, 2015 9:12 AM in response to edmuseer

    edmuseer wrote:

     

    When I turn off cellular data, the fan icon shows up in the top left as well as the cellular provider.

    Wait a minute - you said when you turn the cellular data off - the fan icon shows up??!!

    Can any of your users browse the internet or stream music (presuming it is allowed) in that state?

  • by edmuseer,

    edmuseer edmuseer Jan 27, 2015 9:19 AM in response to ManSinha
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    Jan 27, 2015 9:19 AM in response to ManSinha

    Yes, it appears to be working (when cellular is turned off).  The user can browse the internet and update email accounts.  I have verified this with 3 different iPhone users by turning off cellular and enabling the wifi attached to our AP.

     

    But the cellular provider and signal indicator are still present in the top left too.

  • by pogster,

    pogster pogster Jan 27, 2015 9:33 AM in response to edmuseer
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    Jan 27, 2015 9:33 AM in response to edmuseer

    An interesting discussing. I'm sure other are more knowledgable then myself but are iPhones more sensitive to interference from other frequencies like bluetooth or other nearby routers? You said you were in an office environment so I'm just throwing this out there for thought. Would changing channels on the router make any difference? Lawrence?

  • by Lawrence Finch,

    Lawrence Finch Lawrence Finch Jan 27, 2015 9:44 AM in response to edmuseer
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    Jan 27, 2015 9:44 AM in response to edmuseer

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  • by Lawrence Finch,

    Lawrence Finch Lawrence Finch Jan 27, 2015 9:54 AM in response to edmuseer
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    Jan 27, 2015 9:54 AM in response to edmuseer

    edmuseer wrote:

     

    But the cellular provider and signal indicator are still present in the top left too.

    That is normal. Turning off cellular data only affects data. It does not affect voice and text services. The phone will still get and make calls, and can send and receive SMS (but not MMS). So it is relevant to show the carrier and signal strength.

     

    If you want to try with all cellular services off put the phone in Airplane mode. You can then reënable WiFi and have a phone that will do WiFi only.

     

    It's worth trying pogster's idea. Also, seeing if WiFi signal strength matters - try getting right next to an access point.

     

    Something else that just occurred to me - do the phones have MS Exchange accounts on them? If so did you install an enterprise security policy on the phones, or enable VPN? Some of the settings may force the phone to use LTE over WiFi for security reasons. You can check by going to Settings/General an scrolling to the bottom. If there's a security policy installed it will appear as a Profile below the Reset selection.

     

    Here's information on Enterprise support. http://www.apple.com/support/enterprise/

     

    I don't know if they can provide help without a contract, but it's worth asking. Also, are you using this: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/apple-configurator/id434433123?mt=12

  • by edmuseer,

    edmuseer edmuseer Jan 27, 2015 10:08 AM in response to Lawrence Finch
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    Jan 27, 2015 10:08 AM in response to Lawrence Finch

    No, we do not use exchange, these are IMAP accounts.  If Pogster is correct, then why do I not have any trouble with Android phones or Laptops?  My Android is at the far end of the building and works fine with 4 bars showing on the Wifi fan.

     

    I will check for security policy.  Enterprise support looks like it requires a contract. 

     

    I do appreciate the help.  At least I have a work around.

  • by Lawrence Finch,

    Lawrence Finch Lawrence Finch Jan 27, 2015 10:08 AM in response to edmuseer
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    Jan 27, 2015 10:08 AM in response to edmuseer

    I'd like to summarize what we know so far. Please add or correct anything I've missed:

     

    • The phones are being assigned a valid IP address
    • It's a central router supplying DHCP services with remote access points
    • If cellular data is turned off on the phone WiFi works
    • If Cellular data is on then the WiFi "fan" is not displayed, instead the cellular data (e.g. LTE) is displayed
    • The problem occurs only in the office environment, and does not occur with other WiFi networks
    • The problem does not occur with Android phones

     

    Things that have not been addressed yet:

    • Is a valid DNS being assigned? Can you try manually adding a public DNS to what's there (such as 8.8.8.8, Google's public)
    • Is the subnet mask correct?
    • Is the router address correct?
    • Have you tried tapping Renew Lease?
    • Even though the "fan" is not displayed is the phone using WiFi data?
  • by edmuseer,

    edmuseer edmuseer Jan 27, 2015 10:15 AM in response to Lawrence Finch
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    Jan 27, 2015 10:15 AM in response to Lawrence Finch
    • The phones are being assigned a valid IP address
    • It's a central router supplying DHCP services with remote access points

    DHCP is supplied by a server other than the wireless router which has DHCP turned off and is configured as a wireless access point.  It is the only wireless AP in the office.

    • If cellular data is turned off on the phone WiFi works
    • If Cellular data is on then the WiFi "fan" is not displayed, instead the cellular data (e.g. LTE) is displayed
    • The problem occurs only in the office environment, and does not occur with other WiFi networks
    • The problem does not occur with Android phones

     

    Things that have not been addressed yet:

    • Is a valid DNS being assigned? Can you try manually adding a public DNS to what's there (such as 8.8.8.8, Google's public)

    Yes, the two DNS address are correct.  Don't know what it would accomplish to change DNS to Google.

    • Is the subnet mask correct?

    Yes.

    • Is the router address correct?

    Yes

    • Have you tried tapping Renew Lease?

    Yes, no change.

    • Even though the "fan" is not displayed is the phone using WiFi data?

    This is a good question.  Don't know for sure. 

  • by Lawrence Finch,

    Lawrence Finch Lawrence Finch Jan 27, 2015 10:16 AM in response to edmuseer
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    Jan 27, 2015 10:16 AM in response to edmuseer

    I've posted a request for help in a private forum for regular contributors. Let's see if any associates have an insight.

  • by edmuseer,

    edmuseer edmuseer Jan 27, 2015 10:18 AM in response to Lawrence Finch
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    Jan 27, 2015 10:18 AM in response to Lawrence Finch

    Thank you very much for taking on this issue Lawrence.  You are a great help and a credit to the Apple community.

  • by ManSinha,

    ManSinha ManSinha Jan 27, 2015 11:31 AM in response to Lawrence Finch
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    Jan 27, 2015 11:31 AM in response to Lawrence Finch

    Lawrence

     

    If any component of the router information viz. subnet mask or gateway were somehow to be incorrect - the EU would not be able to access the internet would they?

  • by pogster,

    pogster pogster Jan 27, 2015 11:42 AM in response to edmuseer
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    Jan 27, 2015 11:42 AM in response to edmuseer

    edmuseer wrote:

     

    If Pogster is correct, then why do I not have any trouble with Android phones or Laptops?

     

    I don't know. The suggestion was to give it a try.

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