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Q: Powerbook G4, old but loved, panic message when reinstalling original OS

I have an old but functioning Powerbook G4 15 inch Firewire 800, with Tiger installed. It came with pre-installed Panther, of which I still have the three disks. I tried to reinstall the original system and went as far as the first installation disk. Everything went fine until the end when I got a grey screen, with a power off symbol in the middle and a long series of codes and numbers starting with:

Panic (cpu): Unable to find driver for this platform “Powerbook 5.2”

And ending with:

Panic: we are hanging here.

I tried reinserti the disk, all the other disks, powering without disk and in safe mode but with no success, all I get is that.

 

Looking at the installation disks it actually says “upgrade”, but that’s all it came with the  Powerbook.

Any idea of what went wrong?

 

Cristina

 

PowerBook G4 (15-inch FW800)

Posted on Oct 13, 2014 10:08 AM

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  • by ChitlinsCC,

    ChitlinsCC ChitlinsCC Oct 15, 2014 11:35 AM in response to zoekoolkat
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    Oct 15, 2014 11:35 AM in response to zoekoolkat

    koolkatChristina

    the only Knowledge Base doc that has your beginning phrase (without the quotes) is

    Mac OS X Server: NetBoot clients cannot start up from the server (NetBoot troubleshooting)

    does this sound like you? Didn't think so.

     

    Anecdotally, do you recall ever using the Panther disks that came with? Answer might tell us something about the compatibility of said disks with your hardware.

     

    Genius Bar nearby? Diagnoses are free. If so, take PB & disks and explain. Behind the curtain at the AppleStore is likely to have a 'Library' of install disks on a shelf. Hope you have an honest face so they believe the 'came with' story.

     

    CCC

  • by zoekoolkat,

    zoekoolkat zoekoolkat Oct 16, 2014 12:47 AM in response to ChitlinsCC
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    Oct 16, 2014 12:47 AM in response to ChitlinsCC

    Hi. Thanks for taking the time to reply to me. I looked at the link and doesn't seem to apply. I don't recall having used the disks before, but they were part of the package that came with the Powerbook, I still have the handbook as well. I will go to Genius Bar, I was there a few weeks ago with my PB for a charger issue and  the staff couldn't believe my PB still worked!

    About the honest face, these are the installation disks it came with.

     

    Cristina

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Oct 16, 2014 8:27 AM in response to zoekoolkat
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    Oct 16, 2014 8:27 AM in response to zoekoolkat

    If the disks that came with your machine are labeled "upgrade", it usually meant that your machine came with a version of (say) 10.2.x and you got it right around the time that 10.3 was released, so Apple would leave the older OS on the machine and simply drop in free upgrade DVDs so you wouldn't have to pay for them. What that means is that you must have the previous system installed in order for the upgrade disks to work. It might be a good idea to ask the Genius to figure out exactly which OS version it came with (they should be able to with the serial number) and, if it did come with something other/earlier than the disks you have, ask Apple for replacement disks - that is if they still have those (which is doubtful). As far as I know, at this time, you can still get replacement disks for machines that came with Snow leopard, but anything earlier than that will need to be purchased online if you can find the correct machine specific disks.

  • by zoekoolkat,

    zoekoolkat zoekoolkat Oct 16, 2014 10:13 AM in response to babowa
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    Oct 16, 2014 10:13 AM in response to babowa

    Thank you. Just made my reservation with the Genius bar. Hope they'll have some ideas.

  • by zoekoolkat,

    zoekoolkat zoekoolkat Oct 26, 2014 12:09 PM in response to zoekoolkat
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    Oct 26, 2014 12:09 PM in response to zoekoolkat

    I have been to Genius bar and I have been advised to look for  original installation disk, which didn't come with the Powerbook, as it only came  with the upgrade disks. They did not have  a copy at the Genius bar. They also did not tell me exactly which OS version it came with,  the advisors tried to boot again from my disks but as it was taking a long time it just advised me to try again at home and if it didn't succeed, to look for another installation disk. I have tried again and it won't work so I need an installation disk, but how can I find out which one exactly and where from?

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Oct 26, 2014 1:25 PM in response to zoekoolkat
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    Oct 26, 2014 1:25 PM in response to zoekoolkat

    You should be able to call Apple and give them your serial number - they should be able to look it up with that. I don't have a Powerbook, but on the newer laptops, the number is on the bottom, possibly inside the battery cover or somewhere like that - take a look.

  • by zoekoolkat,

    zoekoolkat zoekoolkat Feb 19, 2015 8:44 AM in response to babowa
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    Feb 19, 2015 8:44 AM in response to babowa

    I have called Apple and they told me the original software was Mac Os X Panther and the word 'upgrade' probably didn't mean it came with any preinstalled software but he wasn't sure. They do not have copies. I am a bit stuck here. Any ideas?

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Feb 19, 2015 9:41 AM in response to zoekoolkat
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    Feb 19, 2015 9:41 AM in response to zoekoolkat

    Panther is quite old, so Apple would no longer have disks. If you know exactly what model you have, you can check on two things: buy Panther install disks on a site like ebay - but watch out!! They must be the original, machine-specific disks. I wouldn't trust ebay sellers on that; the other possibility would be to buy a retail OS X Snow Leopard (10.6) disk from the Apple store for $20 - just make sure your model supports running Snow Leopard and you have enough RAM.

  • by zoekoolkat,

    zoekoolkat zoekoolkat Feb 20, 2015 12:43 AM in response to babowa
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    Feb 20, 2015 12:43 AM in response to babowa

    I tried to reinstall using the first Panther CD by pressing C key at start up. This time it worked, and it went through the entire installation (asking for  CD1 only). However when at the end of the installation process the computer restarted, it reverted to the same grey panic screen. If I repeat the operation by starting up with a C key again I am asked to go through the installation again. I tried running Disk Utility and it does come up with a problem that cannot repair. I tried inserting CD2 and press C at start up but it ejects it.

     

    Any ideas of what I could try next?

     

    Cristina

  • by zoekoolkat,

    zoekoolkat zoekoolkat Feb 20, 2015 12:46 AM in response to zoekoolkat
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    Feb 20, 2015 12:46 AM in response to zoekoolkat

    I do have Snow Leopard from my other Mac, but from what I read it won't support it.

  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Feb 20, 2015 2:19 AM in response to zoekoolkat
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    Feb 20, 2015 2:19 AM in response to zoekoolkat

    Reading through your topic thread, the PowerBook G4 with FW800 would be circa 2003.

    You can download MacTracker from their site: http://mactracker.ca for detailed info on

    most every Apple product with specs and system info. To use this, you'd need to know

    the build model, based on Apple sources.

     

    PowerBook G4 Computers: How to Identify Different Models

     

     

    The PowerBook G4 5.1 and 5.2 are somewhat similar; if you were to search by serial

    number or find other correct identifiers on the computer, so as to match the OS X version

    and original grey label DVD install-restore set (through resellers online) the correct disc

    set part numbers could be located. Pesky details...

     

    Identify Your Mac - Powerbook Medic

     

    PowerBook G4 Technical Specs - EveryMac.com

     

    The computer would otherwise be able to use Leopard 10.5.8 from a lesser retail version

    of 10.5, and there still is a download update to 10.5.8. Other parts not on a retail DVD

    would be found on other discs you could buy. The iLife, AppleWorks or earlier iWorks,

    and others may still be found through online vendors, auctions, or maybe if you contact

    Apple User Groups in your area, or check out moving sales, college/school rummage sale

    or university clearance of old hardware, some of these may still include old retail full install

    versions of OS X and Apple software that won't work on the newer Intel-based Mac.

     

    You may have to look into online resellers to see if any have the retail label Leopard 10.5

    DVD install disc. Amazon resellers may have these on occasion, but they are rare now.

     

    There used to be a time a few years ago, when you could have contacted Apple support

    and paid a reasonable fee for a white-label "replacement Leopard 10.5 DVD" that covered

    the older hardware versions, they offered (also, quietly) a similar "replacement Tiger 10.4"

    white label full install DVD. Both of these were a hit & miss affair to see if they had any,

    if you happened to contact someone at Apple sales support or applecare who knew they

    may exist and knew to also look. They were under $20 each, direct from Apple and not

    available in the online store. Some independent Authorized Apple service providers used

    to have a complete set of system and technical discs; some of them could burn you a copy.

    But not anymore. Most people don't want to touch the older models, on the retail side.

     

    Hopefully you can find a clean retail copy of the Leopard 10.5 DVD, there also was a source

    online to download an Apple Hardware Test for certain models that used to come with one

    on their original install-restore disc media, when new.

     

    If nothing else, there are some now-discontinued MacBooks (circa 2006 to 2010) out there.

    Faster, intel, and they can run Snow Leopard 10.6+ & still some older PPC applications.

     

    Good luck & happy computing!

  • by zoekoolkat,

    zoekoolkat zoekoolkat Feb 20, 2015 2:46 AM in response to K Shaffer
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    Feb 20, 2015 2:46 AM in response to K Shaffer

    Thank you Shaffer and Babowa. I am now not sure  that the install disk is the issue. I have managed to go through the first installation CD. I have run Disk Utility a few times and I get an error 'failure to exit, code 9972'. I am now erasing the whole thing and then I will try to reinstall from the Panther disks I have.

    Just going through ancient posts and half-dead links...hope it works.

     

    Cristina

  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Feb 20, 2015 2:59 AM in response to zoekoolkat
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    Feb 20, 2015 2:59 AM in response to zoekoolkat

    By correctly identifying the computer, you can avoid some of the issues;

    by using a later or last supported OS X retail DVD to start the computer

    from, and use its onboard disk utility, then you may make headway.

     

    Some models shipped with 10.2 (Jaguar) others 10.3 (Panther) and

    could use Tiger 10.4 retail or Leopard 10.5, from retail DVD if the

    computer could support it. That means adequate RAM, enough free

    space in the hard drive, and correct formatting on that drive, etc.

     

    Anyway, if you can locate the product serial number, then enter it into

    the site where it can be identified, that info may help in addition to the

    Apple site link. And if you had MacTracker installed, it can tell you by

    model identifier (PowerBook5.1,5.2,6.1, etc) exact OS it shipped with.

     

    Any old disc installer from a different model (not retail or correct one)

    won't work. The Disk Utility may work from the booted DVD or not.

    Could be the hard disk drive in the computer is bad, too.

     

    Well, the hour here is about 2AM local time & I'm not terribly interested

    in keyboarding or reading. Sleepful hours are short enough as it is...

     

    Hopefully you can use current links to find information; and depending

    on where & how you look, the results will vary.

     

    Good luck & happy computing!

  • by ChitlinsCC,

    ChitlinsCC ChitlinsCC Feb 20, 2015 6:49 AM in response to zoekoolkat
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    Feb 20, 2015 6:49 AM in response to zoekoolkat

    RE: your Disk Utility error - Disk Utility reports "Underlying task reported failure" when repairing a volume - Apple Support is an archived article from 2011. There are some suggestions in it.

     

    Google Site search  in support.apple.com yielded that one, but also suggested this search that yields discussions results

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=verify+disk+error+9972&revid=12332 98479

     

    I have a Vintage Pismo, so I can relate and have been lurking since you first posted.

     

    still following

    ÇÇÇ

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