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Q: iBook G4 AirPort broken, will not reboot

Hello.

 

I recently recieved an iBook G4 12-inch 1.33GHZ (2005) from a family member. Today, I turned it on. Tried to connect to my wifi but got a kernel panic. They were aware of this problem and that is why they were getting rid of it. I reinstalled OS X 10.4.2 with the original install discs, but the wifi still gave me a kernel panic. I put it to sleep once, then woke it. I put it to sleep again, but then it simply would not wake up. I rebooted from the Install DVD and reinstalled OS X... again! This time it would not reboot from the hard drive- it only worked when I inserted the install DVD and selected the hard drive as the startup disc. Now, I rebooted it. I hear the sound, CPU, and CD drive, but no hard drive noise. I have had this issue a lot when trying to get it going. I did some research and the AirPort card can be problematic with this model. I am fine with using a USB dongle for wifi, but I want my computer to reliably start up when I want it to! So, what should I do when I turn on my iBook and the hard drive does not start and AirPort crashes the computer?

 

Thanks,

Rmich1731

iBook, Mac OS X (10.4.2)

Posted on May 2, 2015 7:15 PM

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  • by Jan Hedlund,

    Jan Hedlund Jan Hedlund May 3, 2015 3:08 AM in response to rmich1731
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    May 3, 2015 3:08 AM in response to rmich1731

    As a first test, what happens if you remove the AirPort Extreme card?

    https://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/0/MA984/en_US/ibg4-apc-cip1.pdf

  • by Jan Hedlund,

    Jan Hedlund Jan Hedlund May 3, 2015 3:36 AM in response to Jan Hedlund
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    May 3, 2015 3:36 AM in response to Jan Hedlund

    Correction

     

    Sorry, according to an iFixit guide (https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iBook+G4+12-Inch+1.33+GHz+AirPort-Bluetooth+Board+R eplacement/707), the model that you mentioned appears to have a different AirPort solution, making the process much more difficult. I do not know whether the computer would operate correctly with this board/card removed.

  • by rmich1731,

    rmich1731 rmich1731 May 3, 2015 3:49 AM in response to Jan Hedlund
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    May 3, 2015 3:49 AM in response to Jan Hedlund

    I'm not one to tear apart my iBook. Last time a tore a laptop apart it didn't turn back on...

  • by K Shaffer,Helpful

    K Shaffer K Shaffer May 3, 2015 10:48 AM in response to rmich1731
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    May 3, 2015 10:48 AM in response to rmich1731

    Someone familiar with reading & understanding the Kernel Panic logs, could probably be able

    to connect the cause to the Wi-Fi card. In the iBook G4 12-inch 1.33GHz + 14-inch 1.42GHz

    models the card also supplies Bluetooth as well as 801.11 wireless frequencies.

     

    •Technical Note TN2063: Understanding and Debugging Kernel Panics:

    https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/technotes/tn2063/_index.html

     

    •Mac OS X: How to log a kernel panic - Apple Support

     

    •Resolving Kernel Panics - troubleshooting:

    http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/kernelpanics.html#Anchor-Troubleshooting-49575

     

    This card was noted to be a cause of kernel panic and some users were able to disconnect

    the card, then use a USB wireless adapter (when available, years ago, USB2) for wi-fi.

     

    So the cause of the Panic is probably the hardware related issue some of these get.

     

    {A company such as wegenermedia.com or powerbookmedic could probably perform

    some repairs. While in the shop, other upgrade or repair could be done for little extra

    labor costs, since computer would be apart on the bench. These can use an upgrade

    to SSD such as legacy OWC ATA version, & replace HDD, to speed things along.}

     

    Back to the kernel panic...

    The repair requires a take-apart since this wireless card is essentially on the bottom

    of the logic board held there by a small screw or two, & it has a tiny connector there.

     

    With that carefully detached, the computer should no longer kernel panic. It also would

    have no built-in wireless support for BT or wi-fi.

     

    Good luck & happy computing!

  • by rmich1731,

    rmich1731 rmich1731 May 3, 2015 10:47 AM in response to K Shaffer
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    May 3, 2015 10:47 AM in response to K Shaffer

    Would removing the AirPort kexts stop the kernel panics?

  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer May 3, 2015 1:09 PM in response to rmich1731
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    May 3, 2015 1:09 PM in response to rmich1731

    Given the availability of the hardware in question, although you may remove the AirPort kexts

    they may reappear on a restart once the system sees the hardware is still there. To remove

    access to the hardware, (or replace the part) would be a sure way to not have it appear. Also

    once the AirPort card is detached from the logic board, further testing to be sure it is the only

    cause of kernel panic, would be advised.

     

    You may be able to get a replacement wireless BT + AirPort card from companies such as

    powerbookmedic.com or others. Be aware some places will offer defective cards for sale

    and offer them cheap. I'd noticed a few, alongside others listed in sites, labelled "in-op."

    So if shopping, be sure to get a replacement known-good. There are used, tested-good.

    Or perhaps wegenermedia has the card they may sell a hobbyist, new-old-stock.

     

    Or if you need to use an iBook G4 1.33 series portable to run certain software, you could

    check the wegenermedia site to see if they list any -- that they've repaired w/ guarantee.

     

    Don't need a PowerPC model? They may offer the early MacBooks 2006-2010. Late 2008

    MacBook 13" was the only Aluminum MacBook Unibody, outside the MacBook Pro series.

    However the MacBook (13-inch Mid-2010) was a good model that can support to 16GB RAM.

    Check specs on those models at everymac.com or by use of mactracker.ca application.

     

    Anyway...

    Good luck!

  • by rmich1731,

    rmich1731 rmich1731 May 3, 2015 4:33 PM in response to K Shaffer
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    May 3, 2015 4:33 PM in response to K Shaffer

    LOOKS LIKE the iBook has dug itself a deeper grave. Now I can't boot from a CD or enter open firmware mode. I suspect a fried logic board or boot rom...? I'm not a huge expert at computer pricing, but I might as well pick up a cheap iBook on ebay before I do any logic board swaps.

  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer May 4, 2015 12:44 AM in response to rmich1731
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    May 4, 2015 12:44 AM in response to rmich1731

    Yes, that is usually a fair option, to get a working or restored example of the

    one you had, and get it from someone who knows about it. Anyone can sell

    but only some really know what they have or how to fix it, if offered as such.

     

    You can get an older iBook G4 1.2GHz 12-inch for under $150 from wegenermedia

    with a limited guarantee. Of course depending on the software you need to run, the

    model and build year series could vary. {A MacBook early edition may also be a deal.

    Then you could run Snow Leopard 10.6.8, almost as good as Tiger 10.4.11 but not

    as obsolete.} That and a faster spin-rate hard drive; a 7200-RPM HDD can help.

    The MacBook series (2006 to 2010) is fairly easy to upgrade hard drives.

     

    The older iBook G4 requires a separate wi-fi card that hides under the keyboard,

    and sometimes is missing; the AirPort Extreme toward the end, plain AirPort if

    early model. Somewhere I have as spare Extreme wi-fi card, it was for iMac G4.

     

    Anyway, hopefully you can get the device you need to continue in your works.

    Going forward, the effort to keep an older portable in running condition will take

    some effort, money, or a bit of self-taught repair effort with better manuals...

     

    Good luck & happy computing!

  • by rmich1731,

    rmich1731 rmich1731 May 4, 2015 3:25 AM in response to K Shaffer
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    May 4, 2015 3:25 AM in response to K Shaffer

    You're right; I better get crafty here. Time to disassemble this beast. I found an iFixit guide online with instructions to remove the card- it won't be easy, but it's worth a shot. I'm thinking that's the problem with the iBook....? I didn't think the AirPort card would cause it to stop booting or even going into open firmware mode... Can it?

  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer May 4, 2015 10:03 AM in response to rmich1731
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    May 4, 2015 10:03 AM in response to rmich1731

    Of that, I'm not sure; however if you are lucky someone such as 'spudnutty' who has repaired

    several iBook G4/G3 models, and other Macs, may see your post here and offer ideas on this.

     

    Usually if the AirPort +BT wireless module is defective, you can start & run the iBook G4. It

    may (if nothing much else is wrong) be able to start in SafeBoot mode, with shift-key held

    for quite awhile on first boot, then if you see the desktop or a regular start appearance begin

    it may try after awhile to allow you access to Finder. From there, you could look into Console

    system Logs, to see if you can find any evidence of the trouble by time and date, etc. Tedium.

     

    Sorry to draw a blank on this situation!

  • by rmich1731,

    rmich1731 rmich1731 May 4, 2015 3:43 PM in response to K Shaffer
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    May 4, 2015 3:43 PM in response to K Shaffer

    Thanks, the safe mode worked- the first time. It seems like that if I set it down and come back to it a day later that it starts working again. So here are my most important issues right now:

     

    When starting computer the Hard Disk does not spin up

    Only sometimes am I able to boot from a CD or go into open firmware mode

     

    What do these problems mean?