11 Replies Latest reply: Dec 23, 2010 12:40 PM by nlbford
nlbford Level 1 Level 1 (140 points)
So I just got my new Shake 4.1 . . . . YAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

Not so fast. Shake does me no good if I can't render, and I can't! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

After going through the first tutorial in the manual and all going well, when I do the portion when it comes to actually rendering the Script, I don't end up with any rendered files. I have followed the detials of the steps accurately several times. However, even though Shake appears to go through the render process (I get the little proxy window showing the render in progress), when I navigate to where the rebdered files should be, there is nothing there. Not only that, but if I do a search of my drives, I can find no files anyway that match my file name set in the render.

So what gives? It is rendering (apparently), so why isn't it SAVING the renders.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated. This is very frustrating for obvious reasons, and there seems little point in proceeding too far on this if I can't actually do the most important part successfully.

Thanks

G5 Dual 2.5ghz, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
  • 1. Re: FileOut Nodes Don't Render in Shake
    Inconceivable Level 3 Level 3 (640 points)
    One way of doing it:
    Double click on the fileOut node you want rendered.
    In the Parameters1 tab do you get an 'imageName' field?
    If not, click on the little folder and create one (noting where the file is supposed to go when saved).

    Keep that node selected.

    Then, go up to the main menu above and choose 'Render > Render fileOut Nodes...'

    When that screen comes up, select 'Selected' and then near the bottom left, 'Render.'

    Once finished you will find the file (or files if you're rendering image sequences) in the folder you chose above.
  • 2. Re: FileOut Nodes Don't Render in Shake
    nlbford Level 1 Level 1 (140 points)
    One way of doing it:
    Double click on the fileOut node you want rendered.
    In the Parameters1 tab do you get an 'imageName'
    field?


    Yes, I do have that. The File Path indicated there is as I expected: //Nick berrisford\xd5s g5/Users/Nick/nreal/Tutorial_Media/comp.#.sgi (though I am confused about the portion that PRECEEDS "/Users . . .", I'm guessing that is code for the basic file structure of the OS)

    If not, click on the little folder and create one
    (noting where the file is supposed to go when
    saved).

    Keep that node selected.

    Then, go up to the main menu above and choose 'Render
    Render fileOut Nodes...'


    When that screen comes up, select 'Selected' and then
    near the bottom left, 'Render.'

    Once finished you will find the file (or files if
    you're rendering image sequences) in the folder you
    chose above.


    That's just it, the files never appear there . . . or anywhere - at least in a way that a "Find" can locate them.

    Thanks.
  • 3. Re: FileOut Nodes Don't Render in Shake
    Inconceivable Level 3 Level 3 (640 points)
    .../Users/Nick/nreal/Tutorial_Media/comp.#.sgi

    You probably know this but your resulting files will be something like this: comp.0001.sgi, comp.0002.sgi...
    The '#' in 'comp.#.sgi' just implies a 4 digit number.

    Another thought, in the Tutorials Manual, Page 43, Step 2 it says to attach a fileOut node to Over1. I think that's wrong, you should attach the fileOut node to Screen1.

    And you're not using the trial version?

    If that's not it I've used up my resources on this one, sorry.

    Did you try a 'Find' using only '.sgi'?
  • 4. Re: FileOut Nodes Don't Render in Shake
    nlbford Level 1 Level 1 (140 points)
    .../Users/Nick/nreal/Tutorial_Media/comp.#.sgi

    You probably know this but your resulting files will
    be something like this: comp.0001.sgi,
    comp.0002.sgi...
    The '#' in 'comp.#.sgi' just implies a 4 digit
    number. . . .


    Did you try a 'Find' using only '.sgi'?


    Yeah, and even a search for any portion of that doesn't result in a hit (that applies to the file I am looking for at least).


    And you're not using the trial version?


    No. It's the real deal, peoperly installed (I believe).

    If that's not it I've used up my resources on this
    one, sorry.


    Don't be. I appreaciate the help. I do have it set to "Over1" and will see what happens if I switch it to "Screen1" (though, and I'm sorry if this is a silly newbie assumption, but wouldn't rendering out a different portion of the Tree still result in SOME kind of render, if not the final one?)

    Thanks for your help!
  • 5. Re: FileOut Nodes Don't Render in Shake
    Inconceivable Level 3 Level 3 (640 points)
    ...but wouldn't rendering out a
    different portion of the Tree still result in SOME
    kind of render, if not the final one?


    True I suppose. It looks like I'm barely ahead of you on the learning curve however so I bet Patrick or CaptM will have a better answer.

    I'm switching back and forth between Apple's tutes and Marco Paolini's book. Just ordered 3 of Gnomon's Shake Training DVD's too.
  • 6. Re: FileOut Nodes Don't Render in Shake
    nlbford Level 1 Level 1 (140 points)
    OK . . . I actually tried a couple of things (and foolishly changed TWO things at once, making it harder to determine which was effective - Doh!) and had some success. I changed my FileOut to run off the "Screen1" node as suggested. I also sent the file to a different location (an external FireWire drive).

    It WORKED!! Great . . . now I just had to figure out what part made it work. SO, I rerendered to the same spot after switching the FileOut node BACK to "Over1" . . . NO luck. No newly rendered file. I siwtched the FileOut BACK to "Screen1" and rendered to the OLD location, and that DID work.

    So, logically the deduction is that the "Over1" won't render a result with a FileOut node. Now I am new to those so please excuse me if I am off base here, but I thought FileOut nodes could be used at anypoint in a Tree in order to get a render of that particular point in the Tree. Meaning that I would THINK that rendering out the "Over1" node would get SOME result, just not the FINAL result with all the parameters. I would think that I would at least get a render of that simple comp that the "Over1" is executing. Right? I am understanding the cocept correctly aren't I?

    If not, what part of the concept am I missing? Is there a reason rendering "Over1" WON'T generate ANY result even though the FileOut node IS going through the rendering proccess? Given that rendering is REALLY the one process that is truly important (no render, no comp! =) ), I really want to be sure I understand the whole process completely and what I can expect to render and I what I can't.

    Thanks.
  • 7. Re: FileOut Nodes Don't Render in Shake
    Inconceivable Level 3 Level 3 (640 points)
    ...I thought FileOut nodes could be used at anypoint in
    a Tree in order to get a render of that particular
    point in the Tree. Meaning that I would THINK that
    rendering out the "Over1" node would get SOME result,
    just not the FINAL result with all the parameters. I
    would think that I would at least get a render of
    that simple comp that the "Over1" is executing.
    Right? I am understanding the cocept correctly aren't
    I?


    AFAIK, an Over node needs some image element to composite over. I think it's an inbetween node that needs two image elements on either side. So, in the book's tutorial example, it's over a fileOut node and therefore 'Over1' has no idea what it's actually over. Its output is null. Now, why you got a flipbook to render something with that setup is a mystery unless when you did the flipbook you accidentally had another node selected.

    I should probably stop speculating now...
  • 8. Re: FileOut Nodes Don't Render in Shake
    nlbford Level 1 Level 1 (140 points)

    I should probably stop speculating now...


    No actually . . . what you say makes great sense. I can't say for sure that the flipbook preview was from that node. I obviously have a way to go before I get it all completely, but you have been tremendously helpful so far.

    THANKS!
  • 9. Re: FileOut Nodes Don't Render in Shake
    Inconceivable Level 3 Level 3 (640 points)
    Glad you got it sorted.
    Happy compositing!
  • 10. Re: FileOut Nodes Don't Render in Shake
    Foundry Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    nlbford,

    I had the same problem as well as a couple of others. It is suppose to render off of the over1 node. I kept going through the same process that you did and was unable to get it to render out actual files - Even though I got the flip book visual like you did. Finally I simply did a full uninstall and then reinstalled the software. After the reinstall it worked perfectly as described in the tutorial. Highly suggest you do this. It's not like installing FCP Studio it only took about 5 minutes for the entrie process. At least it is working now. Apple offers 90-days of support for this. Just call 800-sos-appl to get the support for uninstalling.

    Thanks,
    Stacy
    The Foundry
  • 11. Re: FileOut Nodes Don't Render in Shake
    nlbford Level 1 Level 1 (140 points)
    Thanks Inconceivable!