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Sending Tracks to Busses

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Richard Potter Calculating status...
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Jul 29, 2006 12:39 PM
From the clueless newbie file:

I must be missing something incredibly simple, but I can't get tracks to route through busses.

I have a 7 track mix. I want to send tracks 1 & 2 to bus 1, and tracks 6 & 7 to bus 2 so I can adjust the levels of each bus to get a final mix.

I added a send to tracks 1 and 2 and set it to bus 1. I added sends to tracks 6 & 7 and set them to bus 2. All sends are turned on and the volume/pan settings are at default levels. Nonetheless, the bus controls produce no results. If I reduce the volume of bus 1 to its minimum, tracks 1 and 2 ar still heard. Likewise for bus 2 and tracks 6 & 7.

If I switch the track outputs to none they simply turn off, even though the busses are still set to outputs A1 & A2. If the tracks output to 1/2 and I set the busses to None, there is no effect.

What gives?

thanks
Rich



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  • muzak Level 3 Level 3 (650 points)
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    Jul 30, 2006 2:09 AM (in response to Richard Potter)
    It's alright Rich it takes a little while to find your way around SP.

    Look in the effects tab and you'll see your tracks that you've added sends to right [control click>add send]? By default they route in order of busses but you can change it in the effects section by selecting a different bus for each track.

    [note if you have 2 of the same tracks you can only apply them to one bus for example 2 tracks {track 1 rec. 3} will only go on 1 bus.]
    Hope this solves it.
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  • mlehmann Level 4 Level 4 (3,200 points)
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    Jul 30, 2006 8:09 AM (in response to Richard Potter)
    Send to Bus is not a Output to Bus. If you use sends, the output of the tracks will still go to the main outs.

    The way to do this is to set multiple outs. That way, you'll output tracks 1 & 2 to Output 1-2 and Tracks 6 & 7 to Outputs 3-4. Then, you use Outputs 5-6 for the remaining tracks. All those Outputs can be assigned to the same output on your soundcard (even with multiple outs, all the audio can be routed to the physical outs 1-2 of your soundcard). A drawback of this is the unability to have a master outputs for all the subs-outs. This is a feature I've requested since day one of STP and it seems for whatever dumb reason that Apple doesn't think this is important...Maybe in the next update...
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  • Links Level 4 Level 4 (1,780 points)
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    Jul 30, 2006 1:15 PM (in response to Richard Potter)
    Ripple Training has an excellent free video that I think will help in setting up:

    Using Multiple Outputs:

    Leverage Soundtrack Pro's multiple output channels to create submixes.

    http://www.rippletraining.com/freesoundtrack_protutorials.html

    * Doesn't address the need for master outputs for all the subs-outs
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  • muzak Level 3 Level 3 (650 points)
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    Jul 30, 2006 2:49 PM (in response to Links)
    It all depends on what outs you want here; if all you want like Rich said is a mix down on pan and volume in the final then use buses on your standard outs [STP isn't a sequencer in form for more than just basics.]
    There's advantages to being able to control the final result of dialogue or soundtracks with bus mix instead of outputs where you have less control. In other words why use SP for multiple outputs when the program barely can overcome the a/v buffer to tackle it [you know you're losing no matter how fast your processor is when you start stretching SP thin.]
    But it's a valid point that the buffer needs improvement.
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  • muzak Level 3 Level 3 (650 points)
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    Jul 30, 2006 6:07 PM (in response to Richard Potter)
    Do whatever works Rich, but I'm a little confused, if you set volume on the bus tracks and use only those for export outputs it will reflect your levels correctly.
    Your welcome...[to give starfish points here too]
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  • mlehmann Level 4 Level 4 (3,200 points)
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    Jul 30, 2006 6:51 PM (in response to Richard Potter)
    Bus in STP are for FX.

    Here's a short example: Let's say you have a movie with three people in a church. Since the audio was recorded with the camera mic and you want better quality, you decide to re-record all three voices and do post-synchro in a studio. Now, all three voices are in different STP tracks but none of them sound like they're in a church. You create a new bus, insert a Space Designer reverb plug-in on the bus and then, send each vocal track to that bus. Now, all three tracks have the same Church reverb sound.
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  • muzak Level 3 Level 3 (650 points)
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    Jul 30, 2006 11:25 PM (in response to mlehmann)
    Yeah, no doubt that's the easiest way to do it in here, anyway we've probably beaten this one to death, poor rich can't find the starfish to float or swim. But it only gets more frustrating trying to use full outputs like a sequencer, just like everybody complaining about the program crashing mostly due to overloading.
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