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Q: Loopback not responding as expected

Hi,

 

I'm trying to get Loopback to work in MainStage 3.0.3 but it is just strange.

 

I onpen one of the template concerts, clear out everything and add just one audio channel for my mic. Then I insert the Loopback Plugin. When I hit record it starts recording just normal - I can see the waveform. When I hit it again it should play back and overdub but it just set the loop length an the waveform is empty. Record and play button are lit.

To record and overdub I have to hit record, then play when finished, then record again. But it stores the overdub only if I hit record once more after each take.

 

Did I mess with the configuration or is there a bug?

 

Im not using any layout buttons or MIDI controller, just the plugin's controlls. Anyway, it doesn't work with mapped layout buttons either.

 

Hope anyone can help.

MainStage, OS X Mavericks (10.9.3)

Posted on May 30, 2014 5:14 AM

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  • by HerrBergs,

    HerrBergs HerrBergs May 30, 2014 7:34 AM in response to HerrBergs
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    May 30, 2014 7:34 AM in response to HerrBergs

    Ok, now it seems that sometime it works right, but most of the time as described above. To me it seems to be a bug. Its not reliable.

  • by Dazy Duz,

    Dazy Duz Dazy Duz Dec 10, 2014 10:36 PM in response to HerrBergs
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    Dec 10, 2014 10:36 PM in response to HerrBergs

    I;m having a similar issue.

    When the loop comes back to the start it randomly clears what I want to be the the first take, Sometimes it keeps the first take but will clear the second. Sometimes it works the way I need and multiple loops play on top the playback section of the backing tracks that are on cycle mode.

    If the record switch is deactivated just before the start  of the loop it will take but the gap thats left is not workable.

    Once the record,stop ,clear switches have been pressed to the point where theres  working takes it will function the way I need.

    Sometimes for the session,sometimes for 2 or 3 songs,

    The guide mentions pressing the record switch twice to set loop length. Not sure how that works in a live setting.

    So I have all my playback sections that I loop over set at 8 bars and set the loopback at bars and sync.

    Anyway I'm getting dizzy trying to describe this.

    Have you come across any fix for your situation?

  • by CCTM,

    CCTM CCTM Dec 13, 2014 1:56 AM in response to HerrBergs
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    Dec 13, 2014 1:56 AM in response to HerrBergs

    Hi

     

    HerrBergs wrote:

     

    Hi,

     

    I'm trying to get Loopback to work in MainStage 3.0.3 but it is just strange.

     

    I think most of this was fixed in MS 3.0.4?

     

     

    CCT

  • by dreambrother1980,

    dreambrother1980 dreambrother1980 Jun 20, 2015 2:45 AM in response to Dazy Duz
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    Jun 20, 2015 2:45 AM in response to Dazy Duz

    Hi Dazy

     

    I am experiencing this right now. It only happens when using Loopback on audio channels. They work perfectly on instrument channels, every time. I thought I had fixed it with audio channels by having the output buss to a patch bus, and then running a Loopback instance on that... it worked for a couple of songs I have put together. Then I tried the technique for a new song I'm working on, and bugger me if it's not clearing the first pass of vocals I record, and then doing the same on the next... and THEN, if I just bloody mindedly keep attempting overdubs, SUDDENLY recording certain passes, and not certain others!!! AAAAAHHH!!!!! The unbelievable frustration. My whole set depends on these overdubs for vocal harmony parts.

     

    With a couple of the songs, I record a backing part right up front, then stop it recording, leave it playing, then hit a record mapped midi switch later to overdub a second vocal, in harmony to the first. This works fine. But now I am trying to have a one bar vocal motive that I keep stacking with harmonies on each pass, and I simply can't stop it recording then start it again because there isn't enough time in one bar, not to mention it would chop the end off abruptly before starting the loop again.

     

    It does not bode well that you wrote this problem up in December of last year, and they STILL haven't fixed it. I've seen it complained about in a few different places. I've written to them twice now, and no joy. I think I may do a Shawshank, and send a complaint every single day for a month!

     

    Did you find any sort of solution yourself?

     

    Alex

  • by Pepioca,

    Pepioca Pepioca Jul 9, 2015 9:27 AM in response to dreambrother1980
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    Jul 9, 2015 9:27 AM in response to dreambrother1980

    Hello there! Any luck? I've been losing a lot of time trying to make loopback work as it should. The weird thing is that it works whenever it wants: some overdubs are recorded, others not. Sometimes it doesn't overdub anything after the first take. In my case I found out that loopback works ok if I don't use any audio interface and just play around with my MacBook Pro built-in mic. Because of that I thought it might be my audio interface (Presonus Firebox), so I tried with another one, experiencing the same issue

     

    I would appreciate any feedback about this. Thanks!

  • by dreambrother1980,

    dreambrother1980 dreambrother1980 Jul 9, 2015 11:49 AM in response to Pepioca
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    Jul 9, 2015 11:49 AM in response to Pepioca

    Well, Pepioca, believe it or not I did my best impression of Andy Dufresne and called Apple, not expecting whoever answered the phone to know what the **** I was talking about. I was passed from person to person at Apple, until somehow, to my utter surprise, I found myself talking to a member of a very small team who represent the pro audio app tech support department! The guy literally has lunch with the engineers who fix Logic and Mainstage bugs. Long story short, he remotely connected with my Macbook, watched me reproduce the Loopback bug, went off to do it himself, and concluded Loopback has bugs. He wrote a report and sent it off to the engineering department. They had no idea Loopback won't do as it's told! Among the things I showed him were the wiping of audio after the first loop cycling into the second, refusal to acknowledge time signature in Loopback, and the strange intermittency of these bugs. He reassured me that these would be addressed in the next Mainstage update.

     

    During the process of looking at my computer from his, he saw my set up in Mainstage and commented that what I was doing was pretty sophisticated (if I do say so myself), so he asked me to keep in contact with him in future about other bugs I find, saying he considered me an advanced user. So, in the meantime, if any of you read this and have weird bugs you've noticed in Mainstage, I have a channel of communication back to the guys who can fix it, so I'll check this thread from time to time and relay things to their tech support department for all our benefits!

     

    : )

  • by Pepioca,

    Pepioca Pepioca Jul 9, 2015 2:24 PM in response to dreambrother1980
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    Jul 9, 2015 2:24 PM in response to dreambrother1980

    Wow! That's awesome! Well, I guess we'll have to sit and wait. Too bad my solo project relies entirely on loopback

     

    Thanks a lot for replying and doing the nasty work for all of us suffering with loopback bugs

  • by dreambrother1980,

    dreambrother1980 dreambrother1980 Jul 9, 2015 5:14 PM in response to Pepioca
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    Jul 9, 2015 5:14 PM in response to Pepioca

    Mine relies on it, too. Strangely, I've found programming the thing and then just assuming it's going to do what I want it to do has led to it working every time. I can't explain it, I just set it to do what I want, and after some of the expected nefarious behaviour, and a bit of saving, closing the project and reopening it a bunch, it begins to play ball. I have at least 8 loopback instances in each of my projects, and so far so good. I am coming up to where I am going to need one instance to record vocals for 2 bars, and then allow me to overdub for the next 8 in one of my songs. We'll see what happens with that. I always set bar lengths, I'm not sure if that has something to do with it.

     

    But yeah, I'm quite happy to relay major bugs to the guy I've been corresponding with... keep me posted.

  • by dreambrother1980,

    dreambrother1980 dreambrother1980 Jul 9, 2015 9:47 PM in response to Pepioca
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    Jul 9, 2015 9:47 PM in response to Pepioca

    By the way, try routing your audio for the track whose signal you want to loop through a patch bus and stick the Loopback instance on that. It seems to be a little more reliable on a patch bus aux channel.

  • by Tylennol,

    Tylennol Tylennol Jul 31, 2016 7:19 PM in response to HerrBergs
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    Jul 31, 2016 7:19 PM in response to HerrBergs

    Hey everyone, So this is still an issue a year or so later... is anyone still experiencing this?