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Q: XP boot camp disk in "non" XP mac pro?

i am wondering if i want to try an empirical experiment but i really don't want to mess up my xp boot camp install in my 2006 mac pro.

 

basically i am wondering if i can put the /drive/ from my 2006 mac pro that contains my boot camp install of xp into my 2012 mac pro and see if it works.

 

one reason i ask is that i did try this just to see if it booted and it did in fact get recognized and did boot into xp in the 2012 machine.

 

thoughts or helpful advice?

 

thanks

MacBook Pro, OS X Yosemite (10.10.1), mid 2009 13" 2.53 core2duo 8 GB RAM

Posted on Jun 23, 2015 6:22 PM

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  • by Loner T,Helpful

    Loner T Loner T Jun 23, 2015 6:31 PM in response to hotwheels 22
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    Jun 23, 2015 6:31 PM in response to hotwheels 22

    The XP is on a separate physical disk, it is much easier to test and verify. Once Windows is installed with appropriate drivers, it should work. The only problem which I foresee is the differences in 2006 v 2012 MP and the drivers installed on XP reference 2006 MP, not 2012 MP. If you boot it in 2012 MP, check Device Manager for any unknown devices in XP.

     

    Please see System requirements to install Windows on your Mac using Boot Camp - Apple Support for reference.

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    hotwheels 22 hotwheels 22 Jun 23, 2015 6:44 PM in response to Loner T
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    Jun 23, 2015 6:44 PM in response to Loner T

    hi LT. thanks very much.

    apologies as i think you may have mentioned device manager previously and my brain was too full with other technical issues to clue in on this.

    so - am i hearing you correctly and correctly thinking that this is a kind of experiment that may be worth trying?

    i mean, presumably if i see a whole bunch of missing drivers i may just put the drive back in the 2006 machine.

    also, i do know that XP is not supported by boot camp on the 2012 machine but this presumably means you can't do a fresh install of XP (or windows 7 for that matter) on the 2012 machine but i guess i am wondering if it is worth the test to put an /existing/ xp boot camp installation in this machine to see how it goes.

    that said, if there is a high likelihood that i will CORRUPT the drive with this install i will just leave it in the 2006 machine and use it only when i absolutely have to...

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    Loner T Loner T Jun 23, 2015 7:21 PM in response to hotwheels 22
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    Jun 23, 2015 7:21 PM in response to hotwheels 22

    There is a conflict between Apple - Support - Technical Specifications and the following matrix.


    To resolve this conflict, using http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/index-macpro.html the models are Aug, 2006; Apr, 2007; Jan 2008, Mar 2009, Jul 2010; Nov, 2010; Jun, 2012; Oct, 2013.

    Mac Pro

     

    Mac modelWindows 8
    64-bit
    Windows 7
    64-bit
    Windows 7
    32-bit
    Windows Vista
    64-bit
    Windows Vista
    32-bit
    Windows XP
    32-bit
    Mac Pro (Late 2013)5-----
    Mac Pro (Mid 2010)554DVDDVDDVD
    Mac Pro (Early 2009)554DVDDVDDVD
    Mac Pro (Early 2008)-44DVDDVDDVD
    Mac Pro (Early 2007)--4-DVD-
    Mac Pro (Mid 2006)--4-DVD-

     

     

    The Mid 2012 is missing. It should be similar to Mid 2010, and may support a new XP installation based on appropriate version of BCA. What is the version of BCA on the 2006 and 2012 MPs that you have? If you run BCA, are you allowed to install a new copy of XP on a spare disk? Since all the XP drivers for MPs have been on the Grey disks, you will also have to check those. GPUs and Audio are the most challenging set of drivers.

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    hotwheels 22 hotwheels 22 Jun 24, 2015 5:37 AM in response to Loner T
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    Jun 24, 2015 5:37 AM in response to Loner T

    hi LT.

    THANK YOU.

    Somehow i missed this and assumed my machine was like 2013. i have to assume many others did too.

    i hsve someone helping today but can i am sure they will need help.

    1. what are "grey disks"

    2. i am using BCA 5 on 2012 but i /tried/ to install win 8 with this and it is not taking for some dumb reason (probably user error).

    3. how do i check which BCA i used on the 2006?

    4. is it possible to install - say win 8 or even XP on a dedicated drive not using BCA? i mean was there another way to put it on a dedicated drive?

    5. do you think i can just put my XP DISK in the new machine and try that??

    THANKS

    jon

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    hotwheels 22 hotwheels 22 Jun 24, 2015 5:38 AM in response to hotwheels 22
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    Jun 24, 2015 5:38 AM in response to hotwheels 22

    sorry i see you answered 5...

  • by Loner T,Helpful

    Loner T Loner T Jun 24, 2015 6:07 AM in response to hotwheels 22
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    Jun 24, 2015 6:07 AM in response to hotwheels 22

    1. Grey disks are erase/restore disks for the OS and additional bundled applications on older Macs which do not support Internet Recovery. It depends on your model year. The 2006 should have grey disks.

    2. What is the error you get with BCA 5/W8 on the 2012 MP?

    3. The versions of BCA and BC Drivers are different. Run BCA on 2006 and click on About.

    4. On a MP, yes, it is possible. You need only the designated Windows disk formatted as an MBR disk, the Windows installer DVD and a USB2 Keyboard and Mouse. BT devices will not work during installation.

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    hotwheels 22 hotwheels 22 Jun 24, 2015 7:23 AM in response to Loner T
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    Jun 24, 2015 7:23 AM in response to Loner T

    hi LT.

    thanks again for all the really great help. not sure how many people caught that issue with the mac supplied chart...

    OK, so here goes.

    1. OK. i pretty much get this. i think on my 2006 that i do not have a recovery disk because i had a partition of win 7 on the boot drive. not sure if/how that applies to all this but thought to mention it.

    2. from what i recall (i pulled the disk temporarily while i was dealing with another issue but can check here shortly) i /try/ to boot into windows 8 but i only get the angled blue windows icon. also when i first tried BCA it was confusing to me (as it related to the instructions i had from apple) that there was a step where i had to choose FORMAT. then when i tried to do a re-boot i had the DVD of win 8 in there and the USB stick with whatever was on that and between the three or four variables i may have gotten off track. ALSO, i had all four of my disks in the computer originally and when the DOS type prompt asked me /where/ i wanted to install win 8 i was seeing a Partition 0, Partition 1, Partition 2 for like four disks which was very confusing...

    3. on the mac pro 2006 i am using 4.0.4. also, i realize now that as ilasss or you mentioned the 2006 did not support XP and i had to run some kind of ISO work around to get it on there. probably a complication that i forgot about which may be an issue here.

    4. remind me how i format the windows disk as MBR again? i forget what this means. also - do i format as MBR and then literally insert the win 8 DVD and run the install to that disk? this seems VERY straightforward...

    THANK YOU

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    Loner T Loner T Jun 24, 2015 8:17 AM in response to hotwheels 22
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    Jun 24, 2015 8:17 AM in response to hotwheels 22

    You will need to remove all disks that are not needed for the Windows installation. If you use BCA, you only need OSX, designated Windows destination, Keyboard/Mouse/Display and the Windows installer. You can install the disks after you finish the Windows installation.

     

    The normal sequence under BCA (this from an older OSX version without Recovery HD) uses these two steps.

     

    S0003_VistaInstall.png

     

    S0002_VistaFormat.png

     

    For item#4, you can format the disk as FAT32 in Disk Utility, reboot from the DVD and remove the OSX disk leaving only the CD/DVD and the destination Windows disk in the MP. Let the Windows Installer format it as NTFS as shown in these two images.

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    hotwheels 22 hotwheels 22 Jun 27, 2015 9:12 PM in response to Loner T
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    Jun 27, 2015 9:12 PM in response to Loner T

    hi LT, thanks.

    so if i install XP using the disks and FAT32 is there some explanation somewhere on how i install or /find/ drivers? i mean i get into devices and see what is missing and then i do a google search for XP 64 bit drivers for that device or hardware?

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    hotwheels 22 hotwheels 22 Jun 27, 2015 9:18 PM in response to Loner T
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    Jun 27, 2015 9:18 PM in response to Loner T

    hi LT.

    again a big thanks for catching this.

    it finally got me to get this all moving in a good direction!

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    Loner T Loner T Jun 27, 2015 9:23 PM in response to hotwheels 22
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    Jun 27, 2015 9:23 PM in response to hotwheels 22

    You should look for drivers on your DVD disks first, before you look around. Finding XP 64 drivers will be difficult.

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    hotwheels 22 hotwheels 22 Jun 28, 2015 7:28 AM in response to Loner T
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    Jun 28, 2015 7:28 AM in response to Loner T

    AOK. thanks

    just so i understand. this is because:

     

    1. external devices are NEW and it is unlikely a driver was created for it to use in XP

    2. internal /hardware/ is new so same as #1

    3. internal and external communication standards have changed so same as #1 (and also perhaps drivers that worked previously won't work anymore)

     

    also i suppose it is worthwhile trying drivers that are /closely/ matched but not exact to see if they work?

     

    finally, can i please ask you how this all changes if i run XP boot camp using parallels? i mean there IS an option to do this in parallels. will /they/ supply some kind of emulated driver for XP and they new mac and OS and externals etc...?!

    THANKS