Q: Importing old Photostreams and Deletion
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by LarryHN,Jun 24, 2015 9:19 AM
LarryHN
Jun 24, 2015 9:19 AM
in response to Texas_Man_Luvs_His_mac
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Photos for MacPnhotoStream is temporary on iCloud - 30 days
Assuming (you do not disclose the information) that you are using PhotoStream not iCloud Photo Library Once the photos are in Photos in moments they are on the Mac not on iCloud and your regular Mac backup will back them up
One thing I do not want is to delete a pic and have it be forever gone. Specifically, I'm thinking in terms of the old photo stream pics.
Of course this always can happened due to human error or hardware failure of software problems - the only way to assure not losing photos is always having good current backups
Another question. Let's say I were to start running out of room on my iPhone and wanted to delete photos off of it, I am fairly certain I'm correct when saying if I delete a photo on the iPhone it will be deleted everywhere, including photo.app on my mac. Is this correct?
Again it depends on information you do not provide - if you are using iCloud Photo Library then yes - for all other import methods no
Would that also pertain to pictures I manually imported (my old photo stream pics) or does the deletion everywhere only apply to pics taken on my iPhone?
Same as above
LN
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Jun 24, 2015 9:27 AMby Texas_Man_Luvs_His_mac,what info did you need that I did not supply? Not sure what else to share, can you be more specific?
As far as I know, photo stream is gone for good. I could be wrong, but when iCloud and photo.app came out, I turned off the photo stream sharing on Aperture and activated iCloud photo sharing into Photos.app. Hence, as far as I know, I'm not using photo stream in any capacity, just the iCloud syncing between phone and computer.
When you say "if you are using iCloud, then yes for all other import methods, no" That is the part that brings me confusion. So, I imported manually pics into photos.app that I had on my hard drive. I can see they have now crossed over to my phone due to iCloud. So if I were to delete a pic on my phone that crossed over via iCloud but was one of the imported manually pics, would it still be erased on both or just on the iPhone? I guess I'm wondering if a manual import into photo.app will cause the photos to remain safe on my mac despite the iCloud sync?
I do have a time machine backup always and I use back blaze for offline.
Thanks
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by LarryHN,Jun 24, 2015 10:45 AM
LarryHN
Jun 24, 2015 10:45 AM
in response to Texas_Man_Luvs_His_mac
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Photos for Mac
For example are you using iCloud Photo Library as noted as undisclosed
Again it depends on information you do not provide - if you are using iCloud Photo Library then yes - for all other import methods no
and syncing can be done in many ways - iCloud Photo Library, PhotoStream (which can be done with or without ICPL), iTunes sync, USB cable sync - exactly what yu are doing affects the ansers as noted
and I do not say
"if you are using iCloud, then yes for all other import methods, no"
I very specifically say
if you are using iCloud Photo Library then yes - for all other import methods no
to totally eliminate any ambiguity among the various ways to use iCloud and to sync
Until you give clear requested information it is not possible to answer your question except as above
LN
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by Old Toad,HelpfulJun 24, 2015 10:57 AM
Old Toad
Jun 24, 2015 10:57 AM
in response to Texas_Man_Luvs_His_mac
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Mac OS XIf you have this check box checked you're using the iCloud Photo Library:
If you want to use the My Photo Stream and Shared Photo Streams then check these two checkboxes only:
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Jun 24, 2015 10:59 AMby léonie,HelpfulI don't know if I'm using iCloud photo library or not. I'm using the photo.app and have iCloud syncing of photos activated
Please check the Photos > Preferences > iCloud panel.
Is the first option "iCloud Photo Library" enabled or not?
You can enable iCloud Photo Library, My Photo Stream, or Shared albums.
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Jun 24, 2015 11:11 AMby Texas_Man_Luvs_His_mac,Thank you, that makes more sense now. I'm a bit confused as to why there is iCloud and photo stream, aren't they serving the same function? For some odd reason, I was thinking when iCloud syncing and the photo.app came into play, that photo stream was discontinued. I would suppose I misunderstood that information.
When I read those options under the photo.app preferences, I just checked them all as I can't say it makes sense to me the distinction between two of the 3 check boxes. I get the photo sharing part, or at least I think I do. I don't understand the need/reason for the my photo stream and iCloud photo library, as they sound redundant to me. So I had them all three checked.
Is there a reason to have both checked then? I was thinking I turned them all on to ensure information was flowing as it should (basically turning on full sync). But if there is a difference, like my photo stream limits to 1,000 pics or 30 days like it used to, then why would I want (or be able to) check both? If I were to check both, would iCloud photo library over ride the photo stream restrictions or vice versa?
Thanks for helping me understand this better.
-Robert
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Jun 24, 2015 11:26 AMby léonie,. I'm a bit confused as to why there is iCloud and photo stream, aren't they serving the same function? For some odd reason, I was thinking when iCloud syncing and the photo.app came into play, that photo stream was discontinued. I would suppose I misunderstood that information.
That are very different things.
- iCloud Photo Library is a central storing place for all your photos. You can store your Photos Library in iCloud, and all devices syncing with iCloud will see exactly the same photo library. Edit aa photo on one mac and all your other devices will see the same edits.
- My Photo Stream is a way to transfer photos between devices, but not a cloud storage for your photos. If you are syncing with iCloud Photo Library, you can use My Photo Stream to transfer new photos from your devices that are not using iCloud Photo Library, for example iPhones that cannot be updated to iOS8.
Added: My Photo Stream is stored differently from iCloud Photo library. iCloud Photo Library counts against your free 5GB icloud storage, but My Photo Stream does not. The iCloud Photo Library storage is permanent. Any photo you store in iLoud Photo Library will stay until you delete it. My Photo Stream will buffer the photos in iCloud for max. a month, to give you an opportunity to download them. The Photos.app will download automatically from My Phot Stream, and upload automatically. That is very different in Aperture, where you can set the preferences to upload and download manually.
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by Old Toad,Jun 24, 2015 11:20 AM
Old Toad
Jun 24, 2015 11:20 AM
in response to Texas_Man_Luvs_His_mac
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Mac OS X
They are different. The iCloud Photo Library uploads your entire library to the cloud and it is shared and synced to all of your devices which are using the same iCloud account. If you delete a photos from one device it will be deleted from all devices.
Also with the iCloud Photo Library you will have to purchase additional storage in order to store your library. Additional storage is not required for MPS and Shared Photo Streams.
However, with My Photo Stream the photos taken by the mobile devices are added to it for only 30 days. It's a temporary share and since to other devices. If you setup your Photo library to use MPS it will automatically import all photos taken by mobile devices that are using the same iCloud account.
These Apple documents explain them in more detail:
My Photo Stream FAQ - Apple Support
iCloud Photo Sharing FAQ - Apple Support
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Jun 24, 2015 11:39 AMby Texas_Man_Luvs_His_mac,thanks for the replies and helpful information and links. It is becoming clearer. Until this thread, I didn't even realize all this was happening in the background. I thought there was simply iCloud syncing. Good info to know.
I've looked at my mac and iPhone, had both the iCloud library and my photo steam activated on both. I also read the articles, those were helpful.
Until now, I was seeing it (for lack of better words) as "hey iOS and OS X, sync photos and videos." Just that simple. I didn't realize there was two options for synching. I can see that MPS is more limited, appears to function the way it always has.
I'm guessing the 30 day limit isn't an issue for me since iCloud will essentially duplicate the function, is that a correct understanding?
Is there any reason I would want to have both MPS and the iCloud library? Seems the iCloud library would do everything my photo stream does. Am I correct in that understanding?
I am wondering if I should turn off MPS then? Apple warns in one of the articles that photos >30 days will be lost, but I would assume (dangerous thing!) that iCloud would take over and I wouldn't actually lose anything since I have a big backup package through apple and I have had iCloud photo library activated since it came out. So it would be safe to turn off MPS? Or is there really any reason to?
I think I am also starting to see something I didn't realize, that say I should stop paying for the backup plan for any reason, I could lose all pictures >30 days old if they took more space than 5gb. Is that a correct thought? If so, I would like to be sure to somehow get my photos stored in some permanent fashion. I used to use the photo stream into Aperture, which I made sure was synced at least once a week. This caused a permanent storage into Aperture when I let photo stream sync itself with Aperture. But I'm starting to think that if I lose my back up plan or iCloud for any reason, everything in photo.app would be ... gone suddenly?
They seem to have a lot of overlapping in their functions, with MPS being a bit more limited and I am guessing built more for the person who doesn't want to pay for apple storage plans.
Sorry for being such a dunce, I didn't know how much was going on behind the scenes with all this.
Thanks for clarifying and helping!
-Robert
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by Texas_Man_Luvs_His_mac,Jun 24, 2015 11:42 AM
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Jun 24, 2015 11:42 AM
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iOS Appsone additional question, can I use the photos.app to store my photos on my hard drive independent of iCloud then? For example, the pics I imported into photos.app today, I understand they were uploaded to iCloud and synced to my phone. Nice feature. But since I imported them manually, doesn't that mean there is a hard copy on my drive also? Or would I lose any manually imported photos if I lost my iCloud library for any reason? I'm coming from an Aperture mindset, so this is a bit different for me.
Thanks
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by Old Toad,Jun 24, 2015 11:48 AM
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Jun 24, 2015 11:48 AM
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Mac OS X
With the iCloud Photo Library there's always a copy on the Mac or mobile device. The following is from iCloud Photo Library FAQ - Apple Support
Can I use iCloud Photo Library to save space on my device?
iCloud Photo Library automatically keeps all your photos and videos in the original, high-resolution version. Follow these steps to choose how you store your photos and videos on your device:
- In iOS, tap Settings > iCloud > Photos or Settings > Photos & Camera, then select a storage setting.
- In OS X, click Photos > Preferences > iCloud, then select a storage setting.
If you turn on Optimize [device] Storage, iCloud Photo Library will automatically manage the size of your library on your device, so you can make the most of your device's storage and access more photos than ever. All of your original, full-resolution photos and videos are stored in iCloud while device-size versions are kept on your device. You can download the original photos and videos over Wi-Fi or cellular when you need them.
If you turn on Download Originals, iCloud Photo Library will keep your original, full-resolution photos and videos in iCloud and on your device. Download Originals is the default setting for iOS devices with the free 5 GB storage plan and for all Mac devices.
