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Jul 27, 2015 9:05 PM in response to Terence Devlinby Zanaelf,Very well, if it is designed that way, but I just wonder how it would handle other RAM intensive programs that someone one may wish to run in it. My description of my own analysis and experience with the GUI design of the OS is about the OS, since I am not the only one that feels their cognitive interactions are effected by its design, which is the case of all OS's that follow the fashion of flat design, and Yosemite falls into the category of flat design, though its not as bad as the other OS's that use the concepts.
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Jul 28, 2015 1:01 AM in response to Zanaelfby Terence Devlin,Very well. The memory management system was redesigned for Yosemite, that's why the comparisons are meaningless. It's actually more efficient than earlier OSes. I have no problem with your description and your perceptions. You're perfectly entitled to them, but when you extrapolate from those subjective impressions to make idiotic statements like one should never upgrade past the OS the Mac shipped with - and I note that you provide no support for that - that I query you, for the sake of others who might read this stuff.
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Jul 28, 2015 1:41 AM in response to Terence Devlinby DavJam,This discussion looks as though it will run forever.
I am not a computer guru, but I have used computers at home and work since 1976, so I have had some experience in using them. My conclusions (which applicable to all computers) are:
1. Computers tend to be designed "ahead" of the software - but that I mean it take time for the software to use the capacity of the machine to run optimally.
2. As a result of item 1 there is a time when updating degrades the performance and you must stop upgrading.
3. Manufacturers (Apple included) have a vested interest in upgrading systems to earn money - hence the endless addition of bells and whistles. This is the world we live in.
4. The GUI (Graphic User Interface) must before all else provide an efficient way of the user getting on with the task in hand (I speak here professionally as a retired architect). Windows has always been quite good at this, Apple less so. Personally (and I don't think I am alone in this) the separation of the tool bar from the application window is inefficient. The extra miles the mouse must travel could power several cities :-)
Finally, Yosemite does load slower than the previous OS, probably because there are more bells and whistles.
That is my humble opinion - I also think the Apple product (hard or soft ware) is extremely visually appealing!
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Jul 28, 2015 2:15 AM in response to DavJamby Terence Devlin,Windows has always been quite good at this, Apple less so. Personally (and I don't think I am alone in this) the separation of the tool bar from the application window is inefficient. The extra miles the mouse must travel could power several cities :-)
The theory about having the independent menu bar is that the commands are always in the same place, and therefore muscle memory will get you there. When they are attached to a window then they move with the window, and so require to be selected visually. The fact that most people seem to use windows in a full screen mode means that they effectively have figured that out that muscle memory is more efficient... But there is a lot of personal preference in this.
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Jul 28, 2015 4:59 AM in response to Terence Devlinby Zanaelf,Well i certainly would prefer not to use a RAM excessive program on it, if the system has used it all up , in the way it had been designed. I don't think its more efficient , as much as you disagree with me, I disagree with you. I said I recommend one keep their factory OS , not should, and this is depending on if you are an artist and your apps fail to work after an update or they do the task slower than usual. Upgrading is fine if all you do on your macbook/mac is browse the web touch up photos and not even edit them , garageband , and doing office work. If one is very specific about their machine and their ability to do their artwork , then I would recommend something.
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Jul 28, 2015 5:05 AM in response to Zanaelfby Csound1,Zanaelf wrote:
Very well, if it is designed that way, but I just wonder how it would handle other RAM intensive programs that someone one may wish to run in it. My description of my own analysis and experience with the GUI design of the OS is about the OS, since I am not the only one that feels their cognitive interactions are effected by its design, which is the case of all OS's that follow the fashion of flat design, and Yosemite falls into the category of flat design, though its not as bad as the other OS's that use the concepts.
Thank you for your opinion, it has been filed with all the other opinions. It may be retrieved by requesting Opinion # A666G941-77-GG5
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Jul 28, 2015 5:23 AM in response to Zanaelfby Barney-15E,Zanaelf wrote:
if the system has used it all up ,
The system hasn't "used it all up"
It has put all available RAM to good use.
There re are plenty of articles on the web describing how it works. You should read up on them. Otherwise, it is just a boogeyman you refuse to come to grips with.
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Jul 28, 2015 6:16 AM in response to Zanaelfby Terence Devlin,I said I recommend one keep their factory OS
No you did not. What you said was:
It is recommended to keep the same OS it came as factory default with only updating with the minor update
Using the passive voice removes the subjective claptrap and tries to make it sound authoritative.
Well i certainly would prefer not to use a RAM excessive program on it, if the system has used it all up , in the way it had been designed. I don't think its more efficient ,
And as i keep saying, that's why your commentary is useless. You're working on the assumption that memory management is the same in Yosemite as it is in Mavericks. It's not. It's profoundly different. That's why the comparison is meaningless. That's why what you say is ill-informed.
If one is very specific about their machine and their ability to do their artwork , then I would recommend something.
Yes, and I would suggest that you start by learning before issuing advice.
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Jul 28, 2015 8:44 AM in response to Master26Aby Lexiepex,I agree with Clinton: Yosemite is faster than all others before and much better than even Mavericks (I mean the 10.10.4 version).
Naturally there are a small number of users that have issues, mostly because not all external software is exactly compatible, or because you have to carefully check all your email settings in Mail. I use Lightroom6, a good example that proves the foregoing.
Lex
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Jul 28, 2015 4:35 PM in response to Terence Devlinby Zanaelf,I am sorry , but you are not making any sense for me to understand in regards that I gave a recommendation, as if you trying to to paint me with a bad brush.
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Jul 28, 2015 3:10 PM in response to Zanaelfby Csound1,Not having used Yosemite yourself you are not qualified to talk about how it runs, not understanding how Yosemite works just makes that worse.
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Jul 28, 2015 3:17 PM in response to Csound1by Zanaelf,It does not have to be on my own personal Mac to be qualified in having used it.
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Jul 29, 2015 12:03 AM in response to Zanaelfby Terence Devlin,Regardless of where you've experienced the OS, you need to understand it before offering "advice". Plainly, you don't.