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Q: Windows 10 boot camp

We're hearing that Windows 10 is RTM this week. Please get crackin' on the Boot Camp updates for installing Windows 10 because ... you know ... Windows 10 is really, really good. Been using it as an Insider for months now.

 

iMac hardware + Windows 10 = good times.

 

Would also appreciate it if Apple would finally release the drivers needed for:

  • Plug 'n Play support for Thunderbolt devices
  • Sleep mode in Windows 10
  • Pretty much everything else in Windows that Apple appears to have neglected on purpose

 

Thank you.

iMac (27-inch, Late 2013), OS X Yosemite (10.10.4), 32GB RAM

Posted on Jul 15, 2015 11:13 AM

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  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Jul 17, 2015 9:41 PM in response to trambay
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    Jul 17, 2015 9:41 PM in response to trambay

    1. Does W8.1 let you read the OS X volume?

    2. In OSX Terminal run the following commands and post the output after you remove any personal information, as you see fit.

     

    diskutil list

    diskutil cs list

     

    3. Windows-to-go is the full Windows OS on a portable medium available under Windows Enterprise licensing. Windows Installer USB created by BCA is not the full Windows OS. Need to clarify what was used. BC Drivers are located in Bootcamp folder of the Windows Installer USB and can be installed/repaired using setup.exe from this folder.

  • by trambay,

    trambay trambay Jul 18, 2015 1:05 AM in response to Loner T
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    Jul 18, 2015 1:05 AM in response to Loner T

    When bootcamp drivers installed on windows 8.1 the volumes that HFS+ formatted will be mounted in windows automatically, have read only right, I made the usb windows-to-go on a PC that has windows 8.1 ent, seems now we don't have to avtivate the windows to use it, ignore the watermark, which is good

     

    Well, re windows 10, I have found a solution, for windows to go, no bootcamp app involved. I boot into windows 10 on the usb, then install HFS+ for windows 8/8.1 from paragon, after reboot my dear mac volumes are all mounted automatically, I have read/write rights, then I extract drivers from the BootCamp5.1.5621 folder and install those drivers through Device Manager, now all drivers are working including bluetooth!

     

    I think the problem is the setup.exe that playing tricks... anyway it was issued for windows 8.1, no surprise. so now I can use my windows-to-go on mac mini too, great! USB 2.0 doesn't slow down it too much

  • by butcherbird190,

    butcherbird190 butcherbird190 Jul 18, 2015 10:12 AM in response to Loner T
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    Jul 18, 2015 10:12 AM in response to Loner T

    The Late 2013 are the first Mac models to comply with it. This unifies the hardware interfaces across many OEMs. You can directly install windows without using BC Assistant on such Macs. You can resize Windows at will, because it uses GPT disks supported by UEFI.

     

    Wait, what?  lol.  We can install Windows without using Boot Camp?  What have you used to partition the drive?

     

    I have an iMac (Late 2013) & MBP (Mid 2014); so, I think either of those machines would work.

     

    FYI: I haven't had time to post to the Windows Insider forum yet. On my To Do list -- MS has said they are more concerned about the roll-out; so, nothing else will gain much traction until after that's completed, anyway. 

  • by Loner T,Helpful

    Loner T Loner T Jul 18, 2015 10:45 AM in response to butcherbird190
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    Jul 18, 2015 10:45 AM in response to butcherbird190

    Yes. BC Assistant is not needed on such machines, but BC Drivers are necessary for Apple HW support. Disks Utility on OS X can be used to create a Free Space partition and used for Windows installation. Here is the GUID partition table from a late 2013 rMBP.

     

    gpt show: /dev/disk0: mediasize=500277790720; sectorsize=512; blocks=977105060

    gpt show: /dev/disk0: PMBR at sector 0

    gpt show: /dev/disk0: Pri GPT at sector 1

    gpt show: /dev/disk0: Sec GPT at sector 977105059

          start       size  index  contents

              0          1         PMBR

              1          1         Pri GPT header

              2         32         Pri GPT table

             34          6        

             40     409600      1  GPT part - C12A7328-F81F-11D2-BA4B-00A0C93EC93B

         409640  487712920      2  GPT part - 48465300-0000-11AA-AA11-00306543ECAC

      488122560    1269536      3  GPT part - 426F6F74-0000-11AA-AA11-00306543ECAC

      489392096         32        

      489392128     262144      4  GPT part - E3C9E316-0B5C-4DB8-817D-F92DF00215AE

      489654272  487450624      5  GPT part - EBD0A0A2-B9E5-4433-87C0-68B6B72699C7

      977104896        131        

      977105027         32         Sec GPT table

      977105059          1         Sec GPT header


    sudo fdisk /dev/disk0

    Disk: /dev/disk0 geometry: 60821/255/63 [977105060 sectors]

    Signature: 0xAA55

             Starting       Ending

    #: id  cyl  hd sec -  cyl  hd sec [     start -       size]

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    1: EE 1023 254  63 - 1023 254  63 [         1 -  977105059] <Unknown ID>

    2: 00    0   0   0 -    0   0   0 [         0 -          0] unused     

    3: 00    0   0   0 -    0   0   0 [         0 -          0] unused     

    4: 00    0   0   0 -    0   0   0 [         0 -          0] unused     

    The MSR partition GUID type is GPT4. GPT5 is MS Data. There is no MBR necessary.

  • by MarcS9,

    MarcS9 MarcS9 Jul 31, 2015 12:35 AM in response to Loner T
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    Jul 31, 2015 12:35 AM in response to Loner T

    Hi Loner,

     

    I am a little confused, I have a Mid-2010 MBP and have managed to install Win10 using UEFI just fine. Is there something in post-2013 Macs that is missing in previous versions, or would they just have some sort of optimisations available?

     

    I must say though, even on my near fossil hardware, UEFI boot time is blazing fast, and definitely makes a good case to drop BootCamp as fast as possible for Dual-Boot.

     

    Regards,

     

    Marc

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Jul 31, 2015 4:07 AM in response to MarcS9
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    Jul 31, 2015 4:07 AM in response to MarcS9

    Full UEFI compliance is available in Late 2013 and later models. Prior models have partial EFI compliance since EFI 1.1 and UEFI are very similar with overlapping areas. If you install on an older Mac, all hardware may not work properly. Windows has also evolved from W7 EFI to W10 EFI, with broader support for legacy systems. W10 has to support some very archaic hardware, including some XP and Vista machines.

     

    You may want to verify if all your devices are fully functional, rather than being partially functional. You should also backup such a state, to avoid Windows Update silently deploying drivers that may not work properly.

  • by MarcS9,

    MarcS9 MarcS9 Jul 31, 2015 7:33 AM in response to Loner T
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    Jul 31, 2015 7:33 AM in response to Loner T

    Thanks again,

     

    Looks like I met the issues your are talking about, after trying to install BootCamp 5.1 drivers. I know the drivers were not yet officially supported, so when I got a terminal system failure after installing the drivers successfully, I started going one-by-one and doing a system restore between each. Now however that seems a waste of time, if I hit into EFI based issues as you suggest.

     

    So because UEFI is replacing BIOS, and not just a boot record (i.e. MBR), all bets are off with regards to hardware support, and something innocuous like the Keyboard or OSD drivers could cause issues?

     

    Seems like I will have to wait to upgrade or till more stable drivers come out.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Marc

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Jul 31, 2015 7:30 AM in response to MarcS9
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    Jul 31, 2015 7:30 AM in response to MarcS9

    You can remove the current installation and re-install via BCA, which will give you a BIOS installation. Your drivers from BC Assistant will then work.

  • by G4Jedi,

    G4Jedi G4Jedi Aug 8, 2015 8:07 PM in response to butcherbird190
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    Aug 8, 2015 8:07 PM in response to butcherbird190

    I have a new 2015 Macbook Pro Retina and would like to try to install a copy of Windows 10 on a separate Thunderbolt hard drive by first booting from a USB stick created by Windows 10. Think this should be possible or should I still attempt to have Boot Camp first create the bootable USB stick or use a Virtual machine (like Parallels) to attempt to install Windows 10 though it?

     

    Been looking around the internet to see what options are available before I attempt anything with Windows 10 on separate Thunderbolt hard drive.

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