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Q: 25,000 Song Limit

I have a question about the 25,000 song limit in Apple Music (soon to be 100,000).  I am an avid music listener and have reached this quota quickly since joining Apple Music. i cannot wait for the limit to increase with iOS 9, but I have a question about the specifics of that increase. Currently, the 25,000 limit is a limit of how many songs I can have in my Apple Music library, period. Regardless if it's owned by me or if it's part of Apple Music's cloud catalog. Is this going to change on iOS 9? Is the limit going to be specific to my owned music? For example, would I be able to upload 100,000 tracks of owned music and then add to that number with Apple Music's catalog? Google Music, for example, allows for 50,000 uploads to their cloud of owned music (not in their catalog, i.e., the Beatles), but unlimited storage from their cloud catalog. Will this be the Apple Music model?? Thanks for your time.

iPhone 6 Plus, iOS 8.4.1, iOS 9 beta

Posted on Sep 3, 2015 4:50 AM

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  • by Kilgore-Trout,Solvedanswer

    Kilgore-Trout Kilgore-Trout Sep 3, 2015 6:04 AM in response to 1@tom12
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    Sep 3, 2015 6:04 AM in response to 1@tom12

    Are you referring to Apple Music, or iTunes Match? Match has a 25,000 limit but it does NOT include iTunes purchases, just your your matched or uploaded tracks.

  • by 1@tom12,

    1@tom12 1@tom12 Sep 3, 2015 6:20 AM in response to Kilgore-Trout
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    Sep 3, 2015 6:20 AM in response to Kilgore-Trout

    They are one in the same, from what I understand. They should be different because they do different things, but I have hit 25,000 in my Apple Music library. That's a combination of my music and Apple's catalog, and I am unable to add anything else; regardless of source. For example, I added Tom Waits's catalog to "my music" and noticed that Apple Music didn't have his album, Bad As Me, so, since I own it, I decided to upload it into the cloud. The entire album wouldn't upload becaus of the 20,000 song limit. Now, I went back into Apple's catalog and tried to save an album to "my music" and it doesn't appear in the list. So, this means that the 20,000 limit is Inclusive to Apple Music in its entirety. That's a little frustrating and I wonder if it will change to categories with the release of iOS 9. 100,000 owned music and unlimited Apple Music. I hope that makes sense.

  • by Kilgore-Trout,

    Kilgore-Trout Kilgore-Trout Sep 3, 2015 6:26 AM in response to 1@tom12
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    Sep 3, 2015 6:26 AM in response to 1@tom12

    1@tom12 wrote:

     

    They are one in the same, from what I understand.

    No, they are not: iCloud Music Library: Understanding differences between Apple Music and iTunes Match - Apple Support

  • by gregory202,

    gregory202 gregory202 Sep 3, 2015 6:30 AM in response to Kilgore-Trout
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    Sep 3, 2015 6:30 AM in response to Kilgore-Trout

    Apple music also has the same limit I am afraid, just found out today - stupid me. You ll find it in the article.

    HT204925

  • by gregory202,

    gregory202 gregory202 Sep 3, 2015 6:34 AM in response to 1@tom12
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    Sep 3, 2015 6:34 AM in response to 1@tom12

    @ OP

    The fun part is that.

    People who knows answer to your question, will not answer because of ND agreements so the only answers that you will get will be from people like you who are speculating.

  • by Kilgore-Trout,

    Kilgore-Trout Kilgore-Trout Sep 3, 2015 6:55 AM in response to gregory202
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    Sep 3, 2015 6:55 AM in response to gregory202

    Subscribe to iTunes Match - Apple Support

    More about iTunes Match

    • iTunes Match is limited to 25,000 songs.
    • iTunes Store purchases made with the same Apple ID being used for iTunes Match do not count towards the 25,000 song limit.
    • Unmatched content will be uploaded as is. Upload time varies depending on the amounts uploaded and local network speeds.
    • Song files larger than 200 MB won't be uploaded to iCloud.
    • Song files longer than two hours in length won't be uploaded to iCloud.
    • Songs containing DRM (Digital Rights Management) won't be matched or uploaded to iCloud unless your computer is authorized for playback of that content.

    Emphasis added.

  • by 1@tom12,

    1@tom12 1@tom12 Sep 3, 2015 7:21 AM in response to Kilgore-Trout
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    Sep 3, 2015 7:21 AM in response to Kilgore-Trout

    I don't literally mean they're the same, but they're operating the same at this point.

  • by 1@tom12,

    1@tom12 1@tom12 Sep 3, 2015 7:23 AM in response to Kilgore-Trout
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    Sep 3, 2015 7:23 AM in response to Kilgore-Trout

    i agree that you can upload 25,000 of your own music, but you won't be able to add anymore music to the library after this limit. I've tried to add cloud music after the 25,000 songs listed and it won't add anything. Try it, I'm telling you, it has a limit of 25,000, period. Not just your owned music.

  • by lijanlej,Helpful

    lijanlej lijanlej Sep 3, 2015 10:01 AM in response to 1@tom12
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    Sep 3, 2015 10:01 AM in response to 1@tom12

    That's right. You cannot add more than 25.000 songs to your iTunes library, except for purchases, which aren't included in that amount. Matched, uploaded and Apple Music tracks can be no more than 25.000, at this moment. That is what I have experienced myself.

  • by gregory202,

    gregory202 gregory202 Sep 3, 2015 5:25 PM in response to Kilgore-Trout
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    Sep 3, 2015 5:25 PM in response to Kilgore-Trout

    Can you elaborate, I mean I knew about itunes match having 25 thou limit for a long time, had no idea until today about Apple music having the same limit.

    So please what emphasis and were it was added by you.

  • by swandy,

    swandy swandy Sep 3, 2015 5:40 PM in response to gregory202
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    Sep 3, 2015 5:40 PM in response to gregory202

    As of today (see my previous post) both iTunes Match and iCloud Music Library (the "matching" part of Apple Music) have 25,000 song limits. This limit includes any songs you upload/match from your own library or add from Apple Music. The only songs excluded are those you actually purchased from the iTunes Store.

     

    The two major differences between iTunes Match and iCloud Music Library are (1) what they use for the matching (iTunes Match uses the albums in the iTunes Store and iCloud Music library uses the songs that are permitted in Apple Music) and (2) the way they handle DRM (iTunes Match does not use any if you stream and/or download the songs to a different device whereas iCloud Music Library uses a version of Apple's DRM if you download either a song from Apple Music or even if you download your own matched song to another device).

  • by 1@tom12,

    1@tom12 1@tom12 Sep 24, 2015 8:55 PM in response to 1@tom12
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    Sep 24, 2015 8:55 PM in response to 1@tom12

    and it's still limiting the number of songs in the library. Any official word??

  • by bkhorse,

    bkhorse bkhorse Oct 1, 2015 1:20 PM in response to Kilgore-Trout
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    Oct 1, 2015 1:20 PM in response to Kilgore-Trout

    I thought Eddy Cue mentioned in an interview in late June that the 25,000 song limit would be raised to 100,000 with the introduction of iOS 9. What happened to that?

  • by swandy,

    swandy swandy Oct 1, 2015 5:56 PM in response to bkhorse
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    Oct 1, 2015 5:56 PM in response to bkhorse

    bkhorse wrote:

     

    I thought Eddy Cue mentioned in an interview in late June that the 25,000 song limit would be raised to 100,000 with the introduction of iOS 9. What happened to that?

    He did say that they were hoping/planning (did not read the exact interview just summaries from various sites) to have it in place with the release of either iOS 9 or El Capitan (which went live publicly only on September 30th). So right now we are all waiting somewhat patiently to see this occur. (Not to mention the terrible logarithms that Apple is using to "match" your catalogue to their Apple Music catalogue!)

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