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Q: iMessage not syncing older conversation.

My conversation were not syncing from my iPhone into my iMessage on my macbook air. So I tried deleting all conversations on my mac and re-syncing by signing out, rebooting and signing in again. But now only the messages I sent after signing in are being displayed. Is there any way to resync the older converations.

MACBOOK DETAILS: AIR 13" mid 2013, OS X Yosemite 10.10.2, 1.3GHz i5

iPhone DETAILS: IPHONE 6, iOS 8.2

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The screenshots show only the two latest conversation on my mac, only with the most recent messages.

MacBook Air (13-inch Mid 2013), OS X Yosemite (10.10.2), null

Posted on Mar 28, 2015 10:48 AM

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  • by Ralph Johns (UK),Solvedanswer

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Apr 1, 2015 9:32 PM in response to KG7979
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    Apr 1, 2015 9:32 PM in response to KG7979

    Hi,

     

    The answer is No.

     

    Each iMessages is duplicated for each device you have registered and sent to that device uniquely.

    Once they have been pushed to the device and accepted they are deleted from the server.

     

    If for instance your iPhone loses power and your Mac gets the iMessage,  the iPhone will pick them up later when it has power.

    However whilst the Mac has received and it  is then deleted (for the Mac) at the server and the iPhone "Copy" may still be on there but the Mac (if you deleted it) cannot access the iPhone "Copy".

     

    The iMessages are pushed at the devices involved and there is no Download or "Fetch" like mail.

     

    If you did not make a back up of your device before you did this there is not recovery.

    Not even the iMessages server has them.

     

     

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    9:18 pm      Saturday; March 28, 2015

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz i5 2011 (Mavericks 10.9)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
     Couple of iPhones and an iPad
  • by KG7979,

    KG7979 KG7979 Apr 1, 2015 9:36 PM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)
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    Apr 1, 2015 9:36 PM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)

    All right. Let me know if anyone develops a way to copy it from iPhone's server.

    (I guess I will have to live my life like this until then. )

    Thanks.

  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Apr 2, 2015 12:11 PM in response to KG7979
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    Apr 2, 2015 12:11 PM in response to KG7979

    Hi,

     

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    May this will also help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMessage

     

     

    The line in the History section is interesting.

     

    On November 4, 2014, iMessage scored 5 out of 7 points on the Electronic Frontier Foundation's secure messaging scorecard. It lost points because users can't verify contacts' identities and because the code is not open to independent review.[4]

     

    The code will not be open up to review as the system is intended to be secure.

     

    On the bit about User can't tell who they might be really talking to I point you to the Technology section

     

    Every connection has its own unique code, which acts as an identifier for the route that should be used to send a message to a specific device. The connection is encrypted with TLS using a client side certificate, that is requested by the device on the activation of iMessage.[10]

     

    Apple claims that iMessages are protected by end-to-end encryption "so no one but the sender and receiver can access them" and assures that "[Apple] cannot decrypt the data" and "[Apple does] not log messages".[11]

     

    We know that on a Mac since OS X 10.8.2 this has been the Serial Number.

    We know that this helps create the Auth token in the Keychain.

     

    That's not to say that Apple IDs are the best kept secrets in some places.  I see here people posting that they have tried other people's.

    This just registers another device and iMessages servers and there is no "de-registration" for Macs

     

    If people are working to break/hack into the servers it will not be to help you.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    8:10 pm      Thursday; April 2, 2015

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz i5 2011 (Mavericks 10.9)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
     Couple of iPhones and an iPad
  • by Fly Line,

    Fly Line Fly Line Sep 7, 2015 10:43 AM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)
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    Sep 7, 2015 10:43 AM in response to Ralph Johns (UK)

    I'm coming late to this thread, but wanted to pose a follow up question.

     

    I have a very similar setup to the original poster.  I just got a new MacBook Pro running OS Yosemite (upgraded from an old 2008 MBP running Lion) and have had an iPhone 6 since they first came out.

     

    The previous post explaining that messages are not stored indefinitely on the iMessage server makes sense.  What I am confused by is why when I first set up my iPhone 6 from an iCloud backup (or it could have been a local hard drive backup -- can't remember for sure), my entire text message history from both iMessages and SMS texts showed up.  So obviously the message history is stored somewhere.  Is there a way to migrate all those old message threads from my iPhone (or icloud backup) to my new MPB?

     

    Thanks so much.

  • by Ralph Johns (UK),

    Ralph Johns (UK) Ralph Johns (UK) Sep 7, 2015 12:54 PM in response to Fly Line
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    Sep 7, 2015 12:54 PM in response to Fly Line

    Hi,

     

    The iPhone "Stores" all Messages (iMessages and SMS) that you do not dismiss or remove.

    If you then Back Up the Back Up has a "Copy" as it is at that point just data on the iPhone.

    This can be used to restore the current iPhone or set up a new one as you say you did.

     

    The iPhone and the Mac both have apps called Messages.

    Both can Send iMessages and this includes to Macs and iPhone amongst other devices.

    They can in fact be linked so what looks like the same iMessage appears on both.

     

    At this point is is better to think of them as two iMessages that have been created by the iMessages servers to deliver to specific devices.

    The Mac cannot see when the iPhone gets an iMessage and nor can the iPhone see when the Mac does.

     

    iMessages sent to your iPhone are effectively "Copied" and then sent to your Mac. (or vice versa).

    At this point the Mac cannot read the iPhone version or the iPhone the Mac version.

    There is also no way to get the iMessages from the iPhone to the Mac in a way that gets them into the Messages app.

     

    Syncing only works from the time the devices are linked.

    There is no way of getting older iMessages.

     

     

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    8:54 p.m.      Monday; September 7, 2015

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz i5 2011 (Mavericks 10.9)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
     Couple of iPhones and an iPad