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Q: Does ANYONE Have a Working iPad with 1000+ Apps after Updating to iOS 9.x?

after extensive testing and failures on 5 different model devices, it appears the fix for the high number of apps fixed in 8.4 is now broken, but not rebooting the device.

 

issues include failure to upgrade to iOS 9.x - even 9.0.x > 9.1

 

unable to restore backup. Quits installing after a period of time even though it restored successfully onto 8.4.1 device

 

same issues even if setting up as new device.

 

unable to backup device

 

unable to update apps. Downloads but does not install.

 

unable to to install new apps. Downloads but does not install

 

unable to delete apps. Like a Zombie, they return after power cycling

 

have spent over 1,000 hours on this. Same issues on iPhone 5, iPhone 5s, iPhone 6, iphone 6s, iPad Air

 

lokking for ANYONE who has iOS 9x with 1000+ apps that can do the above successfully

 

thx

iOS 9

Posted on Nov 1, 2015 3:31 AM

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Q: Does ANYONE Have a Working iPad with 1000+ Apps after Updating to iOS 9.x?

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  • by MichelPM,

    MichelPM MichelPM Nov 1, 2015 8:01 PM in response to Wanderoldies
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    Nov 1, 2015 8:01 PM in response to Wanderoldies

    I am just pointing out how I use my iPad as you assumed that I am a just some casual iPad user, which I am not!

    That was the whole point of my reply to you.

    You made more out of my reply than was intended.

    I am 53 years old and have been designing on computers since the late 70's doing CAD and CAD support on old Cathode ray terminal screens connected to a MainFrame system that took up an air conditioned room about 500 square feet before graduating up to desktop conputing and designng on Macs in the early 1990’s

    I seen my share of computers and conputer support over those years.

  • by bobseufert,

    bobseufert bobseufert Nov 1, 2015 7:54 PM in response to Wanderoldies
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    Nov 1, 2015 7:54 PM in response to Wanderoldies

    Goodnight.

  • by MichelPM,

    MichelPM MichelPM Nov 1, 2015 8:04 PM in response to bobseufert
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    Nov 1, 2015 8:04 PM in response to bobseufert

    Goodnight, Bob!

    This post has become a real cluster.....!

  • by bobseufert,

    bobseufert bobseufert Nov 1, 2015 8:14 PM in response to MichelPM
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    Nov 1, 2015 8:14 PM in response to MichelPM

    Nite Michel. I heard the alert for your reply just as I was sending mine to Wanderoldies. What a day. 

  • by Lawrence Finch,

    Lawrence Finch Lawrence Finch Nov 1, 2015 9:51 PM in response to Wanderoldies
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    Nov 1, 2015 9:51 PM in response to Wanderoldies

    I am not wrong. iTunes has NEVER included apps in a backup to iTunes. The backup is located as described here: iTunes: About iOS backups This tells you what is backed up and what is not. And where the backups are located. Backups are SQLite databases, and only contain data. Not apps, not music, not videos. When you sync if there were apps on your phone that were not in the iTunes library you were told that and given the option to copy those apps to the iTunes library. With iOS 9, you are still given that option for apps that do not take advantage of app thinning. This would include all older apps, including ones that are no longer available in the app store. And if they are older apps they will still be in the iTunes library from a sync that you did before upgrading to iOS 9. So you have not lost any apps that are no longer available; by definition they could not be sliced because that feature didn't exist before iOS 9.

  • by Lawrence Finch,

    Lawrence Finch Lawrence Finch Nov 1, 2015 9:53 PM in response to Wanderoldies
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    Nov 1, 2015 9:53 PM in response to Wanderoldies

    Wanderoldies wrote:

     

    Im sorry bobseufert, but gravity will not work in an iPad because an iPad doesn't have enough memory. Also Apple says that it is a feature that they didn't invent so it can't be used on their equipment.

     

    I like your style!

  • by Wanderoldies,

    Wanderoldies Wanderoldies Nov 2, 2015 5:04 AM in response to Lawrence Finch
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    Nov 2, 2015 5:04 AM in response to Lawrence Finch

    To Lawrence Fish. I have a program (which I will not name) that allows me to copy an App from my iPad to my computer into a folder of my choice. it has two choices. 1. Copy App to Computer. 2. Copy App to Computer with its Data. It copies from my iPad and not from Apples cloud. if I delete the app from my iPad, I can use this program to put that same app back into my iPad without having to use iTunes.

     

    Please explain the following to me if as you say, itunes only copies "Data" to the iTunes folder in my computer and not the app itself. I have taken my wife's iPod which has a completely different user ID than I do and hooked it up to my computer (her iPod is backed up to her computer and not mine, so none of her apps are in my computer). I now took the program I use that I mentioned above and added an app to her iPod that she never ever had before from my iTunes database which is supposed to save only data from an app and not the app itself. Then tell me how I have added several working apps to her iPod that she never had before and it is on a different user ID than mine? If iTunes only saves data then the app itself would not appear on her iPod because she never had the app before and the app itself is not suppose to be on my computer, only its data.  And as I said, she is on a different ID then mine so the full app had to already be in my computer in the iTunes Mobile Applications folder for me to be able to copy it to her iPod.

  • by Philly_Phan,

    Philly_Phan Philly_Phan Nov 2, 2015 6:07 AM in response to Wanderoldies
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    Nov 2, 2015 6:07 AM in response to Wanderoldies

    Wanderoldies wrote:


    (which I will not name)

    Why not?

  • by bobseufert,

    bobseufert bobseufert Nov 2, 2015 6:11 AM in response to Philly_Phan
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    Nov 2, 2015 6:11 AM in response to Philly_Phan

    Philly_Phan wrote:

     

    Wanderoldies wrote:


    (which I will not name)

    Why not?

    J.B. ?

  • by Lawrence Finch,

    Lawrence Finch Lawrence Finch Nov 2, 2015 6:22 AM in response to Wanderoldies
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    Nov 2, 2015 6:22 AM in response to Wanderoldies

    It's clear that you didn't read the link I provided, or that you don't believe Apple when they say:

     

    iTunes backups

    From your Mac or PC, you can make a backup of your device in iTunes. Syncing your device with your computer isn't the same as making a backup.

    An iTunes backup includes nearly all of your device's data and settings. An iTunes backup doesn't include:

    • Content from the iTunes and App Stores, or PDFs downloaded directly to iBooks (You can back up this content using Transfer Purchases in iTunes.)
    • Content synced from iTunes, like imported MP3s or CDs, videos, books, and photos
    • Photos already stored in the cloud, like My Photo Stream, and iCloud Photo Library
    • Touch ID settings
    • Apple Pay information and settings
    • Activity, Health, and Keychain data (To back up this content, you'll need to use Encrypted Backup in iTunes.)

     

    Other ways to convince yourself:

     

    • Add up the size of all of your apps. Now open iTunes Preferences, Devices tab, right click on the name of your backup and choose "Show in Finder." Then right click on the backup itself and choose "Get info". Compare the size of the backup with the total size of your apps.
    • Get one of the dozens of backup extractor programs available on the Internet. Use it to open the backup and look for the apps. Did you find them?
  • by Wanderoldies,

    Wanderoldies Wanderoldies Nov 2, 2015 6:23 AM in response to bobseufert
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    Nov 2, 2015 6:23 AM in response to bobseufert

    Because I'll get censored. I just put up a post about 5 or 10 minutes ago saying about how they censored me on yesterday's post and they just did it again a couple of minutes ago. If they delete this post I will quit using this forum which is what they probably want me to do.

  • by Philly_Phan,

    Philly_Phan Philly_Phan Nov 2, 2015 6:28 AM in response to Wanderoldies
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    Nov 2, 2015 6:28 AM in response to Wanderoldies

    Wanderoldies wrote:

     

    Because I'll get censored. I just put up a post about 5 or 10 minutes ago saying about how they censored me on yesterday's post and they just did it again a couple of minutes ago. If they delete this post I will quit using this forum which is what they probably want me to do.

    Let's be democratic and put it to a vote.

     

    Oops...  You lose!

  • by Wanderoldies,

    Wanderoldies Wanderoldies Nov 2, 2015 6:33 AM in response to Lawrence Finch
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    Nov 2, 2015 6:33 AM in response to Lawrence Finch

    I Agree with you about what it doesn't back up. But nowhere above does it say that the apps themselves from your iPad don't go directly into your computer when backed up and then they can be copied to another folder if nesserary. All I'm trying to say is that in MY computer there is a folder that contains the backed up apps and that I can copy them to another folder and replace them in my iPad in the future even if they are removed from the App Store.

  • by Lawrence Finch,

    Lawrence Finch Lawrence Finch Nov 2, 2015 6:59 AM in response to Wanderoldies
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    Nov 2, 2015 6:59 AM in response to Wanderoldies

    Wanderoldies wrote:

     

    I Agree with you about what it doesn't back up. But nowhere above does it say that the apps themselves from your iPad don't go directly into your computer when backed up and then they can be copied to another folder if nesserary. All I'm trying to say is that in MY computer there is a folder that contains the backed up apps and that I can copy them to another folder and replace them in my iPad in the future even if they are removed from the App Store.

    There is a folder in the iTunes Media Library for apps (~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Mobile Applications). This contains only the apps, not the app data. And the backup contains only the app data, not the apps. They are separate because there can be more than one device that uses an app, but each device may have different app data. The backup is specific to the device that was backed up; the app is a "universal" installer that can be used across devices.

     

    The app folder in the Media library can be populated from 2 sources; either by downloading the app using iTunes, or using the "transfer purchases" function in iTunes (which is automatic when you sync the iPad unless you do not have "automatically backup to this computer" checked). However, as of iOS 9, the app you have on your iPad may not be the complete app; if the app developer has taken advantage of app slicing only the iPad resources will be included in the version on the iPad. So apps that are sliced will not be transferred from the iPad to iTunes when you sync or manually Transfer Purchases. You can still download them to iTunes from the App Store, and you should, as the App Store download is always the complete app with all slices included. You should also periodically go to the App Store in iTunes, click on Updates, and download all updates to your computer, where they will be saved in the app folder.

     

    The backup contains a list of all apps you have installed, so if you restore from a backup it will restore that list, as well as the app data, then download the apps themselves from the app folder. So when you restore a backup you will get both app data and apps (as well as music and videos). It's actually done as 2 separate steps, although it may appear to be just one. If you watch closely you will see the transition from restoring the backup to downloading content.

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