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Q: Is 10:11 El Captan truly as problematic as many who have upgraded have complained about?

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Before I proceed with upgrading are there any comment on the following concerns I have with the new OS?

 

Is 10:11 El Captan truly as problematic as many who have upgraded have complained about?

 

I have been fearful of upgrading to El Capitan because of all the extremely negative comments about it, loosing and misplacing mail and documents just to name a few I've read.

 

I could and would use Ethernet to down load the upgrade. I am at 20g down and 2 up. Is that better than wifi?

The only non Apple product I have is my HP Envy 5530 printer that is wifi only and has does not USB capability at all.

 

I am in the middle of some major Garage Band projects, (on going) are there issues with El Capitan and Garage Band.

 

Is there one clear source of reliable instructions on the process of download/upgrade/what happens after upgrade with network/mail settings.

There is not a Genius Bar near me, so if it doesn't work right the first time I would be in a very bad

 

I suppose in the final spot one might say why do you want to upgrade at all if things are working well on Yosemite,

There have been some speed improvements with

 

 

Thank you for any help you may offer

 

jojoguitar_mn_usa

MacBook Pro, OS X Yosemite (10.10.5), Pages

Posted on Nov 30, 2015 3:14 PM

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Q: Is 10:11 El Captan truly as problematic as many who have upgraded have complained about?

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  • by pinkstones,Helpful

    pinkstones pinkstones Nov 30, 2015 3:41 PM in response to jojoguitar
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    Nov 30, 2015 3:41 PM in response to jojoguitar

    Over 20 million people have downloaded El Capitan worldwide.  The number of people posting either negative reviews or questions/complaints here are but a small fraction of that overall number.  That says if someone is having trouble with El Capitan, it's because of their computer and everything else on it rather than the operating system itself being faulty.

     

    If you don't want to upgrade, then don't.  The decision is yours to make and yours alone.  I upgraded because I wanted to and because I made sure that I not only had the hardware to support it, but that all my applications were compatible with it.  I also backed up all my files just in case something went wrong.  Nothing did go wrong, but whenever you upgrade your OS, you should make a backup. 

  • by jojoguitar,

    jojoguitar jojoguitar Nov 30, 2015 3:47 PM in response to pinkstones
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    Nov 30, 2015 3:47 PM in response to pinkstones

    Thank you pinkstones for your be-back.

     

    I run two back ups, Time Machine and Superduper, and I totally get your point that its ups to me.

    So, to correct a comment I made that all my software is Apple in moot when I now just admitted to having Superduper, a most popular bootable back up. lol, not that I know how to use it cause all has been good. Fact of point I have never had to use ether one and I'm not sure if my Mac was not online how I would get help with either one. So be it.

     

    My upgrade to Yosemite was a clean install by the Genius Bar when I lived close to one. The migration was still a bit scary. 

    I understand mostly it's my anxiety to loosing 'my Garage Band productions' and the  book I am writing (not here), so I will continue to ponder. I must check with HP about the print driver, although on their website there is an option to let Apple provide the driver.

     

    BTW: Did you download with wifi or Ethernet? is there a preferred method. Some have said it takes 4 hours, I'm 68, I may not have 4 hours

     

    Been with this MBP since 2011, got 10g Ram and work it hard, so, again I will thank you for your supportive comments.

     

    jojoguitar_mn_usa

  • by Acm001,

    Acm001 Acm001 Nov 30, 2015 3:59 PM in response to jojoguitar
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    Nov 30, 2015 3:59 PM in response to jojoguitar

    From my experience doing both upgrade from 10.9 on a mid 2007 iMac - the oldest compatible model - and clean install on early 2009 macbook - its running fine. Not as fast as on newer models with faster cpu and more ram but can't complain. Of course everyone's experience can and will be different but thats what having a good backup plan is for.

  • by Allan Eckert,Helpful

    Allan Eckert Allan Eckert Nov 30, 2015 4:07 PM in response to jojoguitar
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    Nov 30, 2015 4:07 PM in response to jojoguitar

    I have it installed on both of my Mac and have experienced no problems with it at all.

  • by jojoguitar,

    jojoguitar jojoguitar Nov 30, 2015 4:08 PM in response to Allan Eckert
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    Nov 30, 2015 4:08 PM in response to Allan Eckert

    Thank you pinkstones for your be-back.

     

    I run two back ups, Time Machine and Superduper, and I totally get your point that its ups to me.

    So, to correct a comment I made that all my software is Apple in moot when I now just admitted to having Superduper, a most popular bootable back up. lol, not that I know how to use it cause all has been good. Fact of point I have never had to use ether one and I'm not sure if my Mac was not online how I would get help with either one. So be it.

     

    My upgrade to Yosemite was a clean install by the Genius Bar when I lived close to one. The migration was still a bit scary.

    I understand mostly it's my anxiety to loosing 'my Garage Band productions' and the  book I am writing (not here), so I will continue to ponder. I must check with HP about the print driver, although on their website there is an option to let Apple provide the driver.

     

    BTW: Did you download with wifi or Ethernet? is there a preferred method. Some have said it takes 4 hours, I'm 68, I may not have 4 hours

     

    Been with this MBP since 2011, got 10g Ram and work it hard, so, again I will thank you for your supportive comments.

     

    jojoguitar_mn_usa

  • by jojoguitar,

    jojoguitar jojoguitar Nov 30, 2015 4:10 PM in response to Allan Eckert
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    Nov 30, 2015 4:10 PM in response to Allan Eckert

    I am redundant sorry, did you all use wifi? or Ethernet,

    how long was your computer tied up with the download and install?

     

    thanks

  • by Acm001,

    Acm001 Acm001 Nov 30, 2015 4:17 PM in response to jojoguitar
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    Nov 30, 2015 4:17 PM in response to jojoguitar

    If possible always use ethernet. About 40mins to download on 40mb download when the connection is working as it should and around 45mins to install. Your time for both depends on internet speed and computer.

  • by pinkstones,

    pinkstones pinkstones Nov 30, 2015 4:27 PM in response to jojoguitar
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    Nov 30, 2015 4:27 PM in response to jojoguitar

    jojoguitar wrote:

     

     

    BTW: Did you download with wifi or Ethernet? is there a preferred method. Some have said it takes 4 hours, I'm 68, I may not have 4 hours

     

     

    jojoguitar_mn_usa

     

    I downloaded with wifi because I don't have an ethernet connection, so it took a lot longer than it would have if I did.  It took about 2 1/2 hours, I think.  That said, I downloaded it the day it was released, so Apple's servers were jammed, no doubt contributing to the slowness.  If I'd waited a couple of months until the furor died down, it probably would have gone faster.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Nov 30, 2015 6:19 PM in response to jojoguitar
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    Nov 30, 2015 6:19 PM in response to jojoguitar

    According to Apple's specifications, your model can use at most 8 GB of memory, but you've installed 10 GB. The results are unpredictable. I know that the aftermarket RAM vendor says that the configuration will work. If you accept that assurance, please ask the vendor for help with any problems you have. Otherwise, reinstall the original memory, or new memory that meets the official specifications.

  • by jojoguitar,

    jojoguitar jojoguitar Nov 30, 2015 6:53 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Nov 30, 2015 6:53 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Hello, well, this is very disturbing and the first I have heard of it, that I can only use 8g of Ram with 10.11.

    I bought the Ram for my MBP for Yosemite at an Apple Store, so I have been running 10g, needed mostly for the performance of Garage Band.

    I have looked for this information you speak of, and right now I am glad I did't just upgrade. I need to be sure. Do you have link, or a post that explains this?

     

    Thanks for following and offering Linc.

     

    there is always devil in the details huh?

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Nov 30, 2015 7:06 PM in response to jojoguitar
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    Nov 30, 2015 7:06 PM in response to jojoguitar

    I posted a link to the support page with the specifications for Apple products. There are many reports of problems during and after upgrades to El Capitan when out-of-spec memory is installed. I wouldn't take the risk if I were you.

  • by jojoguitar,

    jojoguitar jojoguitar Nov 30, 2015 7:27 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Nov 30, 2015 7:27 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Thanks for the advice,

    I did go to that link and saw a ton of information, and that the MBP needed 8g as you state.

    I'm thwarted now, If I feel I need to upgrade I need to purchase 2x4g of RAM, specifically for 10.11 (?), I have been running 10g on this MBP 2011 with Yosemite and no problems.

     

    I do need to do some more personal research, not that I doubt you, your a 10. I need to research whether I really need to upgrade (all brought about by my upgrading my iPhone 6 to iOS 9.1), or live with this unit as it is.

     

    Always so much to think about but I rely on the help of those who know. One thing I can say at this point, i am glad I didn't just jump and upgrade based on emotion.

     

    I'm in for a restless sleep tonight for sure.

     

    Peace Linc.

     

    PS, no, I'll let it go, but thanks again, I won't do nothing unless its a for sure thing.

  • by etresoft,

    etresoft etresoft Nov 30, 2015 7:51 PM in response to jojoguitar
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    Nov 30, 2015 7:51 PM in response to jojoguitar

    jojoguitar wrote:

     

    I have been running 10g on this MBP 2011 with Yosemite and no problems.

    Hello jojoguitar,

    So who are you going to believe? Your own experience or some anonymous stranger on the internet? Apple says 8 GB is the maximum for that machine because that is the maximum configuration that they sold for it. The best authority on upgrading old Macs is going to be OWC and they sell 16 GB upgrades for your machine: http://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Upgrades.cfm?sort=pop&model=417&type=Memory

     

    10 GB RAM should be adequate for El Capitan. The biggest problem that people have reported lately is a massive slow down after installing Yosemite. Yosemite and El Capitan hare hybrids of iOS and OS X. They perform best with newer machines and SSDs. If you have an older machine, then you should upgrade to at least 8 GB RAM and an SSD. And since the old mechanical hard drives in notebook machines tend to fail after 2-3 years anyway, an SSD upgrade is a really goo idea if you haven't already done so.

     

    There are always going to be reports of problems after a new OS release. While Yosemite was a major pain, the upgrade from Yosemite to El Capitan wasn't a big difference. If you are in the middle of major projects right now, then it is a bad time to upgrade. But after that, it shouldn't be anything to worry about.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Nov 30, 2015 8:13 PM in response to jojoguitar
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    Nov 30, 2015 8:13 PM in response to jojoguitar

    In case you're inclined to believe the bogus advice that circulates on this site, note that the specifications page for your model was last updated in January 2015.

     

    For a recent example of what can happen when you exceed the memory specifications, see this ASC discussion.

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