BruceHBlack

Q: How do I downgrade back to Snow Leopard

First off: Where do we go to complain about El Capitan, its compatibility to older Macs how badly it screws up old files?

 

I upgraded my 2011 PowerBook Pro from Snow to EC.  Upgrade initially appeared to go well.  However, the PB slowed down not horribly but noticeably, it did not import any of my email from sometime in 2013 up till the present and some of my custom mailboxes, and my legacy programs will not run.  I need those old programs and obviously there is data in my old emails and boxes that I want to archive.  After about a week of trying to figure out what did not import and draging and dropping I decided to attempt to down grade back to SL.  That's when all **** broke loose.

 

I attempted to restore from a Time Machine back up and very quickly got the traveling gray screen telling me to restart.  Did that multiple times and using pram zaps and single user starts.  Just gray screen...

 

Took it in to the local apple gurus.  They started it with a SL drive and as we looked at the Time Machine, the back ups began disappearing right in front of our eyes!!!  We shut down and I bought a new hard drive, installed it keeping the old one as it was and installed SL.

 

When I tried to use migration assistant to populate the new drive, it wont see it!!!  Now the Genius Bar in Denver says migration cant happen between EC back to SL 'cause EC changed all the folders on my old drive so migration and SL can use them!!!  ***!!!

 

1.  How do I get back to SL with everything that I had before?

2.  How do I get the stuff that I created for the last month in EC back so I can use it in SL when ever I get back there?

3.  Where do I tell Apple how dissatisfied I am with that process?

4.  Why cant Apple make a short list of things that wont work, or machines that might not like it if you push that inconspicuous upgrade button?

 

Bruce

MacBook Pro, OS X El Capitan (10.11), trying to get back to Snow Leopard!

Posted on Dec 7, 2015 8:23 PM

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  • by hunterphoenixr0,

    hunterphoenixr0 hunterphoenixr0 Dec 7, 2015 8:30 PM in response to BruceHBlack
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    Dec 7, 2015 8:30 PM in response to BruceHBlack

    If you have a Time Machine backup, you'll need to use disk utility to delete El Capitan and re-download the previous OS. Once you do that, you'll be able to set your Mac up from the backup.

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Dec 7, 2015 8:53 PM in response to BruceHBlack
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    Dec 7, 2015 8:53 PM in response to BruceHBlack

    Sorry to hear about your problems; the only way I'd know that would be 100% successful would be to boot from your (SL) bootable clone which you made before upgrading. As there were just too many changes in the OS, I have no idea if you can actually go back any other way.

     

    I also assume that you are referring to a Macbook Pro? How much RAM do you have installed?

     

    As for getting your emails, I'm afraid you would have to dig into the folders and copy over the actual emails, not folders. I did that once - it worked, but took forever.

     

     

    How do I get back to SL with everything that I had before?

     

    Using the bootable clone you made before upgrading.

     

    How do I get the stuff that I created for the last month in EC back so I can use it in SL when ever I get back there?

     

    copy it manually

     

     

    Where do I tell Apple how dissatisfied I am with that process?

     

    http://apple.com/feedback

     

     

    Why cant Apple make a short list of things that wont work, or machines that might not like it if you push that inconspicuous upgrade button?

     

    Apple can't be responsible for thousands of third party softwares or other possible incompatibilities. If you will read the licensing agreement, they state very clearly:

     

    B. YOU EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, USE OF THE APPLE SOFTWARE AND ANY SERVICES PERFORMED BY OR ACCESSED THROUGH THE APPLE SOFTWARE IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK AND THAT THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO SATISFACTORY QUALITY, PERFORMANCE, ACCURACY AND EFFORT IS WITH YOU.

    C. TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, THE APPLE SOFTWARE AND SERVICES ARE PROVIDED “AS IS” AND “AS AVAILABLE”, WITH ALL FAULTS AND WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, AND APPLE AND APPLE'S LICENSORS (COLLECTIVELY REFERRED TO AS “APPLE” FOR THE PURPOSES OF SECTIONS 7 AND 8) HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE APPLE SOFTWARE AND SERVICES, EITHER EXPRESS,

    IMPLIED OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND/OR CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, SATISFACTORY QUALITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, ACCURACY, QUIET ENJOYMENT, AND NON-INFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS.

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    It is always helpful to do some checking, make a good backup, and install the new OS on a separate partition or external hard drive - all of these would enable you to revert easily.

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Dec 7, 2015 9:00 PM in response to hunterphoenixr0
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    Dec 7, 2015 9:00 PM in response to hunterphoenixr0

    Unfortunately, there is no way to download Snow Leopard.

  • by General Grant,

    General Grant General Grant Dec 7, 2015 9:16 PM in response to BruceHBlack
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    Dec 7, 2015 9:16 PM in response to BruceHBlack

    Hello Bruce,

     

    Unfortunately, you cannot restore your system AND it's files using Migration because they have been modified to run on El Capitan (that's what Apple is making it sound like at least). If you try uploading regular documents such as letters, pictures, or PDF's, to Google Drive or iCloud Drive, you can store them in the cloud, and when you are ready to download them, you can do so by getting in to your Google or iCloud account and downloading the files. Unfortunately, with some applications WILL not run on El Capitan, plain and simple. The code and system files have been changed to make it more compatible with the newest edition ever since Swift was introduced. I would recommend downgrading to Mavericks, as it is compatible with most apps, and will give you the same feel as Snow Leopard.

     

    Instructions to get back to Snow Leopard are fairly simple.

     

    (Please make sure that your files are backed up on the cloud (Google Drive, iCloud Drive, OneDrive, etc)

     

    1. Restart your Mac

    2. Before the computer boots, press and hold the Command and R keys

    3. Select Disk Utility, then select continue

    4. Select your startup disk, then click the Erase tab

    5. Choose Mac OS Extended (Journaled) from the Format menu, enter a name, then click Erase

    6. After the disk is erased, insert your Mac OS X disk.

    7. The rest is self explanatory.

     

    (Please make sure that your files are backed up on the cloud (Google Drive, iCloud Drive, OneDrive, etc)

    (Please make sure that your files are backed up on the cloud (Google Drive, iCloud Drive, OneDrive, etc)

    (Please make sure that your files are backed up on the cloud (Google Drive, iCloud Drive, OneDrive, etc)

    (Please make sure that your files are backed up on the cloud (Google Drive, iCloud Drive, OneDrive, etc)

    (Please make sure that your files are backed up on the cloud (Google Drive, iCloud Drive, OneDrive, etc)

    (Please make sure that your files are backed up on the cloud (Google Drive, iCloud Drive, OneDrive, etc)

    (Please make sure that your files are backed up on the cloud (Google Drive, iCloud Drive, OneDrive, etc)

     

     

    To complain about El Capitan, please talk to Apple Support.

     

    Thank you

     

    Grant

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Dec 7, 2015 9:28 PM in response to General Grant
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    Dec 7, 2015 9:28 PM in response to General Grant

    Have you actually tested this? I have with an iMac and the results were not reliable - due to the EFI firmware update, I was only able to install Snow Leopard once out of five tests (and it did not work properly) - the only reliable way was to boot from my Snow Leopard clone.

     

    And, just curious: why are you only suggesting cloud backups (seven times)?

     

    As well, unless the OP had downloaded Mavericks previously, it has not been available to download since Yosemite was introduced.

  • by General Grant,

    General Grant General Grant Dec 8, 2015 5:52 PM in response to babowa
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    Dec 8, 2015 5:52 PM in response to babowa

    I have tested this multiple times on different Mac computers, and it worked fantastic. I am suggesting the Cloud backups 7 times so he gets it and doesn't get angry at me for his files getting deleted.

     

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  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Dec 8, 2015 5:52 PM in response to BruceHBlack
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    Dec 8, 2015 5:52 PM in response to BruceHBlack

    Please ignore the suggestion to download any OS from anywhere but the app store as that is the only legal source for it. Anything else will result in a pirated copy with possible unwanted add-ons such as adware/malware. As well, unless the tests were performed on 2009 or 2010 Macs which had Snow leopard installed, the results cannot be verified.

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Dec 8, 2015 5:56 PM in response to General Grant
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    Dec 8, 2015 5:56 PM in response to General Grant

    You claim you tested with a Mac that came with Snow Leopard originally and qualified for the EFI firmware update to allow Internet Recovery? And that you were able to reinstall Snow Leopard after it had El Capitan installed?

  • by dean@26,

    dean@26 dean@26 Dec 9, 2015 7:47 PM in response to BruceHBlack
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    Dec 9, 2015 7:47 PM in response to BruceHBlack

    Are you able to boot the recovery mode using command-R. The recovery partition started with Lion, SL didn’t have it. So, the main question is did installing EI Capitan on your system can create a recovery partition. One of the easiest ways to check it is to try the boot. But, give a safe boot a shot might be helping you to stay with your EI Capitan. Also, it would be less troublesome if you could.

  • by babowa,

    babowa babowa Dec 9, 2015 8:39 PM in response to dean@26
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    Dec 9, 2015 8:39 PM in response to dean@26

    The recovery partition started with Lion, SL didn’t have it.

     

    That is correct; however, certain older models were able to have their EFI firmware updated to allow internet recovery. That update is what causes the problem of not being able to reinstall the original OS (Snow Leopard).

     

    Computers that can be upgraded to use OS X Internet Recovery - Apple Support

     

    iMac EFI Update 1.8

     

    And, any full OS installer will create a recovery partition (as long as the Mac is compatible with it).

  • by BruceHBlack,

    BruceHBlack BruceHBlack Dec 11, 2015 11:51 AM in response to babowa
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    Dec 11, 2015 11:51 AM in response to babowa

    Thanks Babowa,

    Did not make a clone, drag!

    Installed the new drive, installed SL from an old DVD and restored from an older (October 15) TM back up.  So I am at that point but cant find where EC stored the emails that I did and received from Oct 15 to present.

     

    Where does EC put the actual emails so I can drag them from the replaced drive, or one of the TM backups in EC, to the new one?  I am used to them being in users/username/library/mail but the TM back ups in EC and the old drive with EC on it dont have mail in the user library.  Where are the individual emails stored?