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Q: Replace Hard Drive with SSD

System Info: MacBook Pro running OS X 10.9, mid 2009, 13", PN MB991LL/A (2.53 GHz), 8GB RAM

 

I started having some problems with my system, mainly slow downs, especially when using Safari. I got a copy of Scannerz (http://scsc-online.com/Scannerz.html) and it confirmed drive platter damage. I know some of these units are supposed to have cable problems but Scannerz tested that too and found no problems with the cable, so this is a bonafide drive problem (it's 6 years old, you know).

 

I'd like to go ahead and replace it with an SSD and have some questions:

 

  1. Maybe I'm getting models mixed up but I seem to remember something about a drive thermal sensor on Apples not being compatible with generic drives. I know I read that somewhere I just don't remember where?
  2. I assume, if #1 above isn't a problem, that I can basically use any SATA SSD. Now I know I should get the fastest interface possible, but are there any caveats or incompatibilities that some brands of SSDs may present?
  3. What about stuff like trim and wear leveling. WIll this be in a driver for the SSD or does the OS take care of it automatically?
  4. Are there any brands/models to stay away from?
  5. Should I replace the cable too? I've heard they can get bad.

 

Thanks in advance.

MacBook Pro, OS X Mavericks (10.9.5)

Posted on Apr 4, 2015 12:06 PM

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  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Sep 23, 2015 2:27 PM in response to FatMac>MacPro
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    Sep 23, 2015 2:27 PM in response to FatMac>MacPro

    Yup, foolish not to.

     

    As foolish as not having a current backup available for when an actual disaster occurs.

  • by ZV137,

    ZV137 ZV137 Oct 1, 2015 11:02 AM in response to Csound1
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    Oct 1, 2015 11:02 AM in response to Csound1

    Curious, nothing more.

     

    Would you trust an SSD as a backup device?

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Oct 1, 2015 11:04 AM in response to ZV137
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    Oct 1, 2015 11:04 AM in response to ZV137

    Sure, but what a waste of money compared to an HDD

  • by R.K.Orion,

    R.K.Orion R.K.Orion Oct 3, 2015 12:36 PM in response to ZV137
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    Oct 3, 2015 12:36 PM in response to ZV137

    SSDs haven't been around long enough to see if they'd be permanent backup storage. I don't know why anyone would use one for a backup when you can buy a 2TB backup drive for about 100 bucks. It's designed for that and most spin down to idle when not in use so the drive isn't experiencing wear and tear.

     

    I have no idea how long an SSD will keep its stored data in a static state for a long period of time, and I don't think anyone else does either.

  • by CaptH,

    CaptH CaptH Oct 9, 2015 11:35 AM in response to ZV137
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    Oct 9, 2015 11:35 AM in response to ZV137

    Unless someone is using a very high speed interface, using an SSD for backup makes little sense. On many USB and Firewire interfaces the interface itself will bottleneck the use of the drive as an external. I used an SSD in a USB 2.0 enclosure to beta test El Capitan and it might as well have just been a hard drive. I know USB 3.0 is faster, but the enclosure I had sitting around was 2.0, so that's what got used.

  • by MrWilliams201,

    MrWilliams201 MrWilliams201 Oct 13, 2015 11:44 AM in response to CaptH
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    Oct 13, 2015 11:44 AM in response to CaptH

    When I was fooling around with El Capitan Beta I created a Fusion drive out of a small SSD and an old HDD. The SSD was in a USB 2.0 enclosure and the HDD was in a Firewire enclosure. I wanted to use the beta without risking any regular drives.

     

    In any case, the Fusion setup via USB booted a lot faster than a regular hard drive. Oddly, when the SSD is configured as just a standalone drive and used in the USB enclosure, it's about half as fast and bottlenecks just as stated. I have to wonder if the Fusion setup isn't quickly loading an cacheing something to make it seem faster.

  • by CaptH,

    CaptH CaptH Nov 10, 2015 11:06 AM in response to MrWilliams201
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    Nov 10, 2015 11:06 AM in response to MrWilliams201

    MrWilliams201 wrote:

     

    When I was fooling around with El Capitan Beta I created a Fusion drive out of a small SSD and an old HDD. The SSD was in a USB 2.0 enclosure and the HDD was in a Firewire enclosure. I wanted to use the beta without risking any regular drives.

     

    In any case, the Fusion setup via USB booted a lot faster than a regular hard drive. Oddly, when the SSD is configured as just a standalone drive and used in the USB enclosure, it's about half as fast and bottlenecks just as stated. I have to wonder if the Fusion setup isn't quickly loading an cacheing something to make it seem faster.

    It's probably the way the thing uses the unified buffer cache.

  • by R.K.Orion,

    R.K.Orion R.K.Orion Nov 11, 2015 11:01 AM in response to CaptH
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    Nov 11, 2015 11:01 AM in response to CaptH

    CaptH wrote:

     

    MrWilliams201 wrote:

     

    When I was fooling around with El Capitan Beta I created a Fusion drive out of a small SSD and an old HDD. The SSD was in a USB 2.0 enclosure and the HDD was in a Firewire enclosure. I wanted to use the beta without risking any regular drives.

     

    In any case, the Fusion setup via USB booted a lot faster than a regular hard drive. Oddly, when the SSD is configured as just a standalone drive and used in the USB enclosure, it's about half as fast and bottlenecks just as stated. I have to wonder if the Fusion setup isn't quickly loading an cacheing something to make it seem faster.

    It's probably the way the thing uses the unified buffer cache.

    On Mavericks I've noticed that at startup the base memory is a few hundred megabytes higher than it is without a Fusion drive, so the unified buffer cache theory might make sense, but the overhead isn't too impressive IMHO.

  • by MrWilliams201,

    MrWilliams201 MrWilliams201 Nov 20, 2015 11:49 AM in response to CaptH
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    Nov 20, 2015 11:49 AM in response to CaptH

    Thanks. The info I'm seeing on that on the web is pretty dated. Is it still in use in the newer OSes like Yosemite and El Capitan?

  • by CaptH,

    CaptH CaptH Dec 12, 2015 11:36 AM in response to MrWilliams201
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    Dec 12, 2015 11:36 AM in response to MrWilliams201

    MrWilliams201 wrote:

     

    Thanks. The info I'm seeing on that on the web is pretty dated. Is it still in use in the newer OSes like Yosemite and El Capitan?

     

    To the best of my knowledge, yes. I don't know why it would be eliminated. It increases performance and cuts down on energy consumption.

  • by R.K.Orion,

    R.K.Orion R.K.Orion Dec 14, 2015 11:08 AM in response to MrWilliams201
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    Dec 14, 2015 11:08 AM in response to MrWilliams201

    They all use UBC. There's no reason to eliminate it.

  • by ZV137,

    ZV137 ZV137 Dec 31, 2015 10:40 AM in response to CaptH
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    Dec 31, 2015 10:40 AM in response to CaptH

    Additionally more stuff is being stored in RAM rather than disk. Compressed memory is a good example. A file that used to be written to the drive as a temp file is now first compressed and held in memory and only written to the drive if needed (running out of memory). The write process on both HDDs and SSDs is slow compared to internal RAM I/O plus it supposedly helps energy consumption on laptops. That's one example, but I get the impression a lot more applications and/or kernel functionality is RAM resident rather than being paged out.

  • by CaptH,

    CaptH CaptH Jan 6, 2016 11:56 AM in response to ZV137
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    Jan 6, 2016 11:56 AM in response to ZV137

    Keeping more stuff in RAM also cuts down on SSD writes thus extending the life of the SSD. Maybe it's not a big factor for SSD life but it can't hurt.

  • by ZV137,

    ZV137 ZV137 Jan 11, 2016 11:51 AM in response to CaptH
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    Jan 11, 2016 11:51 AM in response to CaptH

    Unfortunately it can also tax systems with less than 4GB of RAM.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jan 11, 2016 12:07 PM in response to ZV137
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    Jan 11, 2016 12:07 PM in response to ZV137

    Why is that?

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