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Dec 14, 2015 11:50 AM in response to clodo9by LarryHN,so were 8 track tapes, cassette tapes, vinyl records, etc, etc, etc and like consumer Optical CDs and DVDs they are all gone
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Dec 14, 2015 7:51 PM in response to Terence Devlinby clodo9,★HelpfulA DVD backup has definite advantages :
1- simplicity
2- reliability ( i have been using DVD backups extensively for years ) ( terence,you seem to have forgotten the answer you got from this user, just a few months ago :
John the GreekAug 19, 2015 5:22 PM
Re: failure to burn photo DVD in iPhotoin response to Terence DevlinI have always used good quality blank CD or DVD disks. In fact I have back-ups going back to the 90's that I still use to access data on a regualr basis. I have probably only had one or two disks go bad in all of that time
3- versatility ! This backup will be "readable" by any computer, Mac or PC, any version of OS, Windows or Linux, and also "readable" by any version of iPhoto or Photos .
4- and it's inexpensive.
As stated above, i'm not suggesting backing up your whole iPhoto library on DVDs, but just your most important and cherished photos ( still, you can put quite a lot of pics on a 4.7 GigaByte disc ! ).
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Dec 14, 2015 11:07 PM in response to clodo9by Terence Devlin,Well you're not only funny, but dishonest.
You recommend optical media, I point out that it's unreliable then you quote an example of exactly what I'm talking about:
I have probably only had one or two disks go bad in all of that time
That's a solid recommendation, isn't it? Only one or two? What's acceptable as a failed back up? Is there a number? Is only losing 8 gigs of data a good thing? AT what point does it come a bad thing? 10 gig? 25 gigs?
I use multiple backs ups to HD and have never lost anything. Ever. Going back to the 90s too. See the difference?
A DVD back up is not simple if it's unreliable. And, as the poster you so helpfully referred to points out, it's not reliable. D'uh.
It's not simple if the next mac you buy does not have a DVD drive - and currently there is exactly one Mac model available with a built-in drive. How obvious does it have to be that this technology is dying?
HD back ups are equally readable, as are online ones. No DVD is readable by current versions of iPhoto or Photos.
And the more inexpensive it is, the less reliable. What you don't tell the poster here is how you and the other guy who argue so hard for this technology is that reliable disks, the ones you and he recommend (and which claim a long life, though untested) average $10 a disk and are hard to find.
What I cannot fathom is why you insist on offering your advice to other users without at least warning them of the downside. Post anything you want, but at least be honest. AT least say there is a failure rate with DVD, at least point out that the technology is going the way of the floppy disk, the zip drive and all other other dead technologies. That would be honest, at least.
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Dec 15, 2015 7:31 AM in response to Terence Devlinby clodo9,Now, now, terence, let's remain cool and rational, if you will allow...
I purposely left in the quotation that " I have probably only had one or two disks go bad in all of that time " because, yes, in more than twenty years ( !!! ) we all know that a few of our DVDs will go bad...but this little problem is readily solved by the fact that we make a new copy of the "cherished" files every now and then ( at least every year ) , was it only because some files were added, or rearranged, or "improved", etc ! So i here reassure you: neither John the Greek or i have ever "lost" any data through this method...
You write " It's not simple if the next mac you buy does not have a DVD drive ". ...An external DVD drive is already the solution many, many mac owners have gone to.
Also " No DVD is readable by current versions of iPhoto or Photos ". Mind you, terence, but such a backup DVD contains jpeg files, contained in standard folders, and that's why they are universally readable and by "readable", i mean that if you drop the DVD in the drive,and drag-drop the disc ( or open the disc in Finder, and drag-drop the desired folders) on the iPhoto icon , iPhoto will import all the pics , and the folders they're in will become Events .
Also : " What you don't tell the poster here is how you and the other guy who argue so hard for this technology is that reliable disks, the ones you and he recommend (and which claim a long life, though untested) average $10 a disk and are hard to find " Gee, terence, where do you get this ??? All my backups are on standard, good quality DVDs, that cost less than fifty cents a pop. I now prefer DVD + R ( for tech reasons: they read better, burn better ) , but still less than fifty cents each.
Now, again, i'm not suggesting DVDs are a backup strategy , but they very well can be a solid part of a backup strategy . Let's remember that many, many people out there do NOT have ANY backup of their data...For them, a simple DVD backup could save the day.
You write " I use multiple backs ups to HD and have never lost anything " . Do you really think the average user will buy three External HDs ( and cycle them ) ? What i think is that users should be well warned against the false security of either Time Machine and/or ONE EHD. CASE IN POINT : the neighboring thread : i photo library disappeared while running programm/ 10000 items lost and never found back neather in backup; please what is a solution? Just hoping a solution will be found here.
And for anyone who would like to know more about backups, and who think the data on their computer is worth half an hour of solid reading, i heartily recommend the excellent
" Methodology to protect your data. Backups ans archives "
that can be found right here on this apple site at :
https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-6031
Lot of knowledge, and experience, in this text...i've read it five or six times, and am still learning new things in there... ( i hear terence chuckling, here...he says that's because i'm dumb...Well, i won't argue on this one, at least ... )
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Dec 15, 2015 8:34 AM in response to clodo9by Terence Devlin,And that's another one:
yes, in more than twenty years ( !!! ) we all know that a few of our DVDs will go bad...but this little problem is readily solved by the fact that we make a new copy of the "cherished" files every now and then ( at least every year ) , was it only because some files were added, or rearranged, or "improved", etc !
So multiple rolling back ups. How simple is that? But you never say it. You just say that DVD is simple and reliable. But it's not. It has to be part of an overall strategy with redundancy and that's not simple. Saying that it is promotes a false sense of security. But you never say that. You never say that DVD back ups will require an external DVD drive. Never. There are threads on this forum from people who bough entire iMacs and never noticed there was no drive - so again. Point it out.
And then if someone can read that article you look to without getting car sick, note that even he suggests that DVD is the 5th best option - and thats Professional quality DVD media.
And please tell us what he recommends as the best option? Hmmm?
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Dec 15, 2015 10:01 AM in response to jibjab32by Old Toad,jibjab32 wrote:
iPhoto crashes each time I open it (Mac OSX stand-alone computer). I see this addresses in an email from 2015 and the first direction is to back up your photos. How do you do that?
iPhoto 9.4.3 and earlier began to crash for many users all of a sudden a few weeks ago. This is because the contract between Apple and Google for use of Google maps with iPhoto 9.4.3 and earlier for Locations expired a couple of months age and was not renewed. That is the cause of the freezes or crashes.
Apple now uses its own Maps program for Locations and too use it you must be running iPhoto 9.5.1 and Mavericks or 9.6.1 and Yosemite or El Capitan or Photos and El Capitan.
Try Huxly647's solution:
Huxly647Nov 20, 2015 12:05 AM
Re: iPhoto crashes after opening repeatedlyin response to carvermonHelpfulI found a fix that works for me.
1. goto /Applications/iPhoto.app/Contents/Resources (Control (right)-click on the iPhoto app and select Show Contents in the contextual menu - OT.)
2. delete the files ' googlemap.html ' and googlesearch.html
iPhoto no longer crashes, places doesn't work but it doesn't bother me too much.
Let me know if it works for you guys...
Removing the two files ' googlemap.html ' and googlesearch.html from iPhoto's application bundle prevents the javascript inside from being executed and causing the crash. Going offline does obviously do the same. So it is pretty clear, that something happened on Google's end.
Be sure to make a backup copy of the iPhoto application before attempting this procedure.
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Dec 16, 2015 4:52 PM in response to Terence Devlinby clodo9,terence,
you ask : " So multiple rolling back ups. How simple is that? "...Well, as simple as burning a DVD can be.
you also write : " And then if someone can read that article you look to without getting car sick " Yes, terence, you're absolutely right on this one, this document is not for the faint-hearted ! It's so jam-packed with information that you could easily make a book out of it ! What's more, can you imagine, if only a small part of the people who read it ( over seventeen thousand ) heeded it's advice, can you imagine the TeraBytes, PetaBytes, or even ExaBytes of data that were saved !!!
you go on with " even he suggests that DVD is the 5th best option "...Well, not quite...In fact, PV, the author, is merely making an evaluation of seven kinds of backup systems, in no particular order :
Data Storage Platforms; their Drawbacks & Advantages
#1. Time Machine / Time Capsule
#2. HD archives
#3. HD clones
#4. Online archives
#5. DVD professional archival media
#6. Cloud based storage
#7. Network attached storage (NAS) and JBOD storage
As for the "professional quality DVD media", this is aimed at an archiving activity ( fifty, a hundred years ) , while ours is simply to backup our files in case of a mishap in the near future ( a few years ), especially since, as noted above, we burn a new copy of the "cherished files" every year or so , for the reasons already mentioned: some of these files may have been modified, improved, renamed, some others added, etc.
What's more, it is good practice to burn three copies of each DVD ( two of them "away from home", in case of fire, natural disaster, etc. ) all of which make a good DVD backup absolutely fail-free, and MUCH more secure than Time Machine and/or an external HD !
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Dec 16, 2015 5:20 PM in response to clodo9by Allan Eckert,Clodo
I have been follow your discussion here. But I think your last response has been the last nail in the coffin for your idea of using DVD to backup my photos. With your last comment it appears like I would require well over 150 DVDs to implement your plan. For me that is completely worthless from the time it would take to burn my photos on the DVDs. Plus finding the correct DVD in that huge of collection would be nightmare.
In addition, since I store my photos in a database which Aperture uses for their library, it would take some additional software to copy the database to the DVDs in a manner where you can retain the database and all of it connectivity so that the adjustments and metadata remain connected to the appropriate photos.
The only way I see anything you are suggestion working is if you maintain your photos in flat files and only have a few photos to store. Any reasonable size photo library would be so overwhelming for your procedure as to make it completely unusable.
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Dec 17, 2015 12:19 PM in response to clodo9by Terence Devlin,★HelpfulAnd therein is the incoherence.
You confuses the act of burning a disk which is simple - if you have an optical drive - with making a rolling back up with multiple redundancies to optical media, which is not. It requires thought and planning and needs to be indexed manually cannot be automated. And now you specifically mention avoiding archival quality media, which again brings up the issue of disk rot, and again, provide no warning.
I keep saying this: suggest any back up system you like, but be honest about it.
A DVD back up system is perfectly good if
1. You accept that optical media is going away, and that as time goes by it will be more difficult to access DVD drives, like it is now with floppy and zip drives
2. You have multiple redundancies because media failure is a real issue with consumer media
3. It's a complex manual process, and is only suitable for making backups of flat files.
On the other hand - and I'm just picking this one of out the air - Flickr is free for up to a terabyte of data. It's stores only flat files too, so as a comparison with optical media:
1. It needs an internet connection - that's not going away anytime soon.
2. They back up, so you don't need redundancies - though I personally would also recommend same.
3. Uploading can be automated.
On the downside, some people will be concerned about privacy issues. However, the Flickr system of access is highly customisable, and you can restrict access to your images quite easily.
Plus the added benefits that's it's off-site and accessible from any computer in the world. That's simple.
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Dec 17, 2015 9:27 AM in response to Terence Devlinby Allan Eckert,"It needs an internet connection - that's not going away anytime soon."
Didn't Trump just say he was going to do away with the internet?
Now that we have the silliness out of the way, I must concur with you that DVDs to backup photos is pretty much a dead issue.
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Dec 17, 2015 10:48 AM in response to Allan Eckertby Terence Devlin,Didn't Trump just say he was going to do away with the internet?
Yes, apparently. But that would only apply where he holds sway, and not here in the civilised world
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Dec 17, 2015 11:06 AM in response to Terence Devlinby Allan Eckert,Seriously because he demonstrated no comprehension of what the internet is in reality, I doubt he could do it even if he did hold sway.
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Dec 17, 2015 11:22 AM in response to Allan Eckertby Terence Devlin,Wasn't he going to get Bill Gates on it? So he's well up-to-date too.
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Dec 17, 2015 11:37 AM in response to Terence Devlinby Allan Eckert,After my years of working with a Windows laptop, I personally place Bill Gates in the same category as Trump when if comes to understanding the internet. I sort of see that as the blind leading the blind.
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Dec 17, 2015 11:41 AM in response to Allan Eckertby Terence Devlin,Oh don't be unfair - didn't Gates admit he missed the Internet, which demonstrates two things: learning and admitting error - that seem to escape the hairdo.