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Q: Slide shows on ATV 4 plays semi random

My new ATV 4 plays slideshows in a random mode even if shuffle is set to off.

As opposed to when shuffle is on the randomness is kind of mixed with the sequential path and not totally random.

 

It doesn't matter if the source library is untouched by Aperture (directly from camera) or inside Aperture or exported from Aperture.

 

My ATV 2 plays the slide shows exactly in the order of the source library.

 

Does anyone else have the same problem and have found a solution?

Apple TV (4th generation), tvOS

Posted on Nov 7, 2015 8:14 AM

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  • by Tom Meade1,

    Tom Meade1 Tom Meade1 Jan 7, 2016 12:16 PM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Jan 7, 2016 12:16 PM in response to Winston Churchill

    If, as you say iCloud isn't involved in the process at all, why does

    an iCloud logout instantly result in essentially a blank screen (on the

    wall) and return me to the splash screen for the radio station I'm

    listening to - and upon re-signing to iCloud the radio station screen

    re-appears, after 5 minutes or so unattended is replaced - as the

    "Whole Library" photos re-appear, begin scrolling - as screen saver?

  • by Tom Meade1,

    Tom Meade1 Tom Meade1 Jan 7, 2016 12:21 PM in response to Tom Meade1
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    Jan 7, 2016 12:21 PM in response to Tom Meade1

    Allow me to add that as further test, I turned WiFi off for several

    minutes - with no effect on the screen saver's use of said album.

    Tom

  • by Winston Churchill,

    Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Jan 7, 2016 12:23 PM in response to Tom Meade1
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    Jan 7, 2016 12:23 PM in response to Tom Meade1

    I don't really know what you mean by wall or what radio has to do with any of this.

     

    I can only assume you are confused about something here. After creating your 'whole library' album, where do you then navigate to on the Apple TV to select them as your screensaver.

  • by Winston Churchill,

    Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Jan 7, 2016 12:24 PM in response to Tom Meade1
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    Jan 7, 2016 12:24 PM in response to Tom Meade1

    Tom Meade1 wrote:

     

    Allow me to add that as further test, I turned WiFi off for several

    minutes - with no effect on the screen saver's use of said album.

    Tom

    That's exactly what I would expect to happen, the photos are stored on the Apple TV.

  • by Tom Meade1,

    Tom Meade1 Tom Meade1 Jan 7, 2016 12:49 PM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Jan 7, 2016 12:49 PM in response to Winston Churchill

    On tv - Settings: Computers (the icon). My Library comes up with the usual

    options: Music, etc. Photos. Select Photos, loading, Photos: Photos, loading;

    then the array of photos comes up. Two small icons appear top R. One is

    Slideshow, the other is Screen Saver. Selecting Screen Saver icon produces

    "Use "Tom meade's Library" as Screen Saver and below that this question:

    Would you like to use "Tom Meade's Library" as your screen saver?

    Yes

    No

    After selecting yes, am returned to the array of photos.

    One icon remains top R: Slideshow

    This leads to a list of Settings: shuffle, Repeat, Default music, etc. AND below that

    a list of theme options.

    Atop all is the option Start Slideshow. loading

    When the SS starts now, it continues as a screen saver. e.g. leaving the display

    on a page for 5 minutes invokes the screen saver - no intervention req'd.

    Whew.

  • by Tom Meade1,

    Tom Meade1 Tom Meade1 Jan 7, 2016 12:56 PM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Jan 7, 2016 12:56 PM in response to Winston Churchill

    "That's exactly what I would expect to happen, the photos are stored on the Apple TV."

     

    How is that possible? My tv 3 has no storage - especially not the massive amount

    of media being displayed - I'm under the impression that it's only a streaming device.

  • by Winston Churchill,

    Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Jan 7, 2016 12:56 PM in response to Tom Meade1
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    Jan 7, 2016 12:56 PM in response to Tom Meade1
    On tv - Settings: Computers (the icon).

    That's home sharing, it has nothing to do with iCloud. I believe the fact that it's the "Computer" app makes it reasonably obvious. The photos are the ones on your computer, they are accessed via your local network using home sharing.

     

    Photos from iCloud can be found in the Photos app.

  • by Winston Churchill,

    Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Jan 7, 2016 12:59 PM in response to Tom Meade1
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    Jan 7, 2016 12:59 PM in response to Tom Meade1

    Tom Meade1 wrote:

     

    My tv 3 has no storage...

    It has 8 GB for storage, a hundred or so photos won't take up a huge proportion of room.

  • by Tom Meade1,

    Tom Meade1 Tom Meade1 Jan 7, 2016 1:00 PM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Jan 7, 2016 1:00 PM in response to Winston Churchill

    Then how does the random display of dozens of photos continue

    for fully five minutes with the only connection to Mac turned off?

    Are you suggesting that the buffer is that big? I haven't tried running

    it for an hour - maybe I should.

  • by Winston Churchill,

    Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Jan 7, 2016 1:02 PM in response to Tom Meade1
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    Jan 7, 2016 1:02 PM in response to Tom Meade1

    Then how does the random display of dozens of photos continue

    for fully five minutes with the only connection to Mac turned off?

    A hundred photos with a duration of just 3 seconds takes up all of your 5 minutes.

  • by Tom Meade1,

    Tom Meade1 Tom Meade1 Jan 7, 2016 1:29 PM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Jan 7, 2016 1:29 PM in response to Winston Churchill

    I stand corrected on the storage.

  • by Tom Meade1,

    Tom Meade1 Tom Meade1 Jan 7, 2016 1:32 PM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Jan 7, 2016 1:32 PM in response to Winston Churchill

    Am now running an hour screen saver test with Home Sharing off

    and watching for re-cycling as best I can. I don't know what this

    will tell me if it does produce fresh material over that time but

    it would seem to infer that the source is iCloud.

  • by Winston Churchill,

    Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Jan 7, 2016 1:35 PM in response to Tom Meade1
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    Jan 7, 2016 1:35 PM in response to Tom Meade1

    The source is the flash storage on the Apple TV itself.

  • by Tom Meade1,

    Tom Meade1 Tom Meade1 Jan 7, 2016 1:48 PM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Jan 7, 2016 1:48 PM in response to Winston Churchill

    9 images every 17 sec

    a screen of 9 images rotates 3.5 times per minute

    times 30 minutes = 952 images

    or times 60 minutes = 1,905 images.

     

    Admittedly they're displayed at varying sizes. One image

    is about 3MB - so assume 1.5MB on average, that's

    about 1.5GB each 30 minutes, or 3GB/hour.

     

    I donno how much space is allocated to this buffer

    but if it runs all day with fresh stuff and Home Sharing

    still off I'm going to call flash at least a draw with iCloud.

  • by Winston Churchill,

    Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Jan 7, 2016 2:11 PM in response to Tom Meade1
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    Jan 7, 2016 2:11 PM in response to Tom Meade1

    It's difficult to say what you are doing, but screensavers are played from the Apple TV.

     

    Please don't take it the wrong way, but you do seem to have a few questionable observations about photos.

    When the SS starts now, it continues as a screen saver. e.g. leaving the display

    on a page for 5 minutes invokes the screen saver - no intervention req'd.

    Whew.

    A slideshow doesn't become a screensaver, unless it ends, goes back to the slideshow menu and the Apple TV remains idle for the required time.

     

    And as I've said before your album is a library album therefore if it's in iCloud it's in iCloud as part of your iCloud library, not photo stream or shared albums, the Apple TV doesn't have access to your iCloud photo library, otherwise you'd be able to call it up from your photos app.

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