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Q: drag and drop on same disk, same partition taking hours. Why, and how to fix it?

Hi,

 

My computer crashed and I'm putting the backed up files back onto the disk. The drag and drop of the adobe files is 500GB and took a couple of hours to complete. Dragging and dropping that into a subfolder within that directory, the system is telling me it will take even longer to copy over. Why? What does this mean.

 

Two things you need to know:

 

1) The system habitually crashes about every six months requiring a clean instal.

 

2) This  time, I portioned the drive, put the OS on the 500GB partition and put the data files on the other half of the partition to see what happens the next time it crashes -- and it will eventually crash. (I want to know if whatever is corrupted stays on the side with the OS or if it affects the whole disk.) 

 

All other files seem to drag and drop just fine, it's just these particular folders of photographs. Any suggestions? Does this hint towards an undiagnosed problem with the disk? Is it because I partitioned the HD? 

 

Thank you,

 

Mac (27-inch, Late 2013)

3.5 GHz Intel Core i7

32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3

10.11.3 (15D21)

OS X Mavericks (10.9.2)

Posted on Jan 22, 2016 10:05 PM

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Q: drag and drop on same disk, same partition taking hours. Why, and how to fix it?

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  • by John Galt,

    John Galt John Galt Jan 22, 2016 10:54 PM in response to stevenfromyokohama
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    Jan 22, 2016 10:54 PM in response to stevenfromyokohama

    My computer crashed ...

     

    1) The system habitually crashes about every six months requiring a clean instal.

     

    What exactly occurs when it crashes? Describe what you observed when that happened. For example, does the Mac fail to start? Are any icons or messages displayed?

  • by stevenfromyokohama,

    stevenfromyokohama stevenfromyokohama Jan 23, 2016 5:25 AM in response to John Galt
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    Jan 23, 2016 5:25 AM in response to John Galt

    First -- love the handle.

     

    The computer crashing is just what it does. Apple has taken it back three times and found nothing wrong with it and can offer no explanation other than it must be the data, which it can't be because the data is all on a bank of externals accessed by my other two computers, which all share the same software. The best I can do this time is collect activity reports until it crashes again and send them to the Engineering dept. This is the advice of several Customer Service calls from Oz to Japan to the US and Singapore.  

      

    As for what it does, the rainbow ball will eventually come. Then it will get slower and slower, Photoshop will start crashing, then the computer will just stop moving until I turn off the power. The OS will not reinstall. It will not accept a Safe Mode. Unless I wipe and erase by this point the screen will turn into a a stream of numbers, like  in the Matrix, and the fusion drive will become unhooked. At that time I used to send it off to Apple to fix but now I've learned how to put it together through Thunderbolt and Terminal. It *****. Especially since Apple is not cheap. 

     

    I'm open to suggestions, if you have any. Right now I've left the fusion drive unconnected. Someone suggested that could be the culprit.

     

    As for the problem I asked about here, someone on Reddit gave me some Terminal advice on how to open Permissions, so that seems fixed. I do still wonder if that particular problem might someone be connected to the computer problem I've been having.

  • by John Galt,Helpful

    John Galt John Galt Jan 23, 2016 2:54 PM in response to stevenfromyokohama
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    Jan 23, 2016 2:54 PM in response to stevenfromyokohama

    If you were to open Console and examine system.log while the unresponsiveness occurs, you would almost certainly find log entries identifying an inability to read or write from the drive, but if the system becomes unresponsive you won't be able to copy those entries for further examination until after you restart the Mac. Once restarted, finding the relevant entries would need to be accomplished by examining the time stamps of those entries.

     

    Having said that, if you were to run OS X on an external volume, and abruptly disconnect that drive while using the Mac, it would act exactly like you describe. If that were the case, examining system.log would be pointless because no log entries can be written to a drive that is no longer available (obviously). Perhaps that's the reason Apple could find nothing wrong.

     

    In your case I believe there will be no progress toward a solution until you replace something in an effort to isolate the cause. The fusion drive could be defective, or there could be some other hardware fault involving a connection to it and the logic board. Determining the defective component will be a process of elimination.

     

    The procedure for examining system.log appears below, but as I wrote the problems may occur after the losing the ability to write potentially diagnostic information to the drive.

     


     

    Next time the system becomes unresponsive note the time in your Mac's menu bar or some other accurate timepiece. Then, force it to shut down as you have been doing.

     

    Then, start the Mac the way you normally start it.

     

    Then, find the Console app - it is in your Mac's Utilities folder and looks like this

     

    Screen Shot 2013-10-15 at 1.28.39 AM.png

     

    You can find it by selecting Utilities from the Finder's Go menu.

     

    Open Console.

     

    If the log list column on the left is not already displayed, show the log list by selecting Show Log List from Console's View menu.

     

    Locate system.log in the list and select it. Many date and time-stamped entries will appear, hundreds of them, and you must find the entries relevant to your Mac's problem.

     

    To do that type the words bootlog in the Filter field at the upper right of the Console window:

     

    Screen Shot 2013-11-07 at 6.36.40 PM.png

     

    That will cause all log entries to be hidden, except for the entries containing those words. The last entry in the list will correspond to the last time you started the Mac. It will have a time stamp in the form hh:mm:ss later than the time you noted in the Mac's menu bar prior to shutdown.

     

    Make note of that exact time in hours, minutes, and seconds.

     

    Next: Clear the filter field by clicking the x in the above screenshot. It should then look like this:

     

    Screen Shot 2013-10-15 at 1.04.42 AM.png

     

    All previously displayed log entries will reappear.

     

    Next: Find the log entry that corresponds exactly to the time you noted in hours, minutes, and seconds containing the words "BOOT_TIME". You may have to scroll up or down a considerable distance. When you find that line, select it and drag your cursor up and prior to the entry corresponding to the approximate time you noted before shutting down the Mac. This will result in a selection of perhaps 100 lines or so.

     

    One or more of them, along with their time stamps, may reveal the reason for the unresponsiveness.

     

    Copy and paste those log entries in a reply. Please don't post thousands and thousands of lines.

     

    Most of the entries will be cryptic but will contain information you might consider personal such as your Mac's name. If you do not want that information to appear, delete or obscure it when posting your reply. Leave enough information so that the entries can be deciphered.

  • by John Galt,Helpful

    John Galt John Galt Jan 23, 2016 2:55 PM in response to stevenfromyokohama
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    Jan 23, 2016 2:55 PM in response to stevenfromyokohama

    Hi Steven, I read your other question 3 years, 6 crashes --

     

    I completely understand suspecting a time element is involved. It's as though a time bomb with a six month fuze or vague "bit rot" is taking place, resulting in your Mac working for six months after which it just melts down. That's totally understandable, but I can think of no software that would cause that to occur. For that matter, I know of no hardware-related time element either. Lacking any technological explanation I can only suggest the six month time element is coincidental to faulty hardware, the fusion drive in particular, including the firmware that operates it. Unfortunately there is no "smoking gun" in this case, nor are you likely to find one. Intermittent problems are challenging enough to diagnose, but especially so when the time interval is on the order of months. That's the reason for suggesting replacing the fusion drive. Advancing your troubleshooting efforts from this point will require replacing something, so I recommend you start with it.

  • by stevenfromyokohama,

    stevenfromyokohama stevenfromyokohama Jan 26, 2016 3:11 PM in response to John Galt
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    Jan 26, 2016 3:11 PM in response to John Galt

    The behaviour has started, although this time is MIGHT be because I didn't reconnect the Fusion Drive (it becomes unhooked after the final crash) and partitioned the main HD. Either way, I've been getting the rainbow ball, the first sign, and Photoshop crashed yesterday. This morning when I went to turn on the computer a new behaviour manifested: It wouldn't turn on. I pushed the button as usual but there was no sound. I went to the kitchen and back and the screen was still black. I pushed and held. Nothing. And again. And again. Eventually it booted but without the sound and took much longer than it has been.

     

    Since I read your post I've had Console and Activity Monitor running and keeping the reports in a folder. It's only been two days but I'm hoping keeping them will be helpful when I eventually have to send it back. Could you look at these lines from Console to see if there's any indication as to why there was a problem with start up this morning?

     

    1/27/16 1:09:16.686 AM diagnostics_agent[447]: AutoSubmitPreference is 1

    1/27/16 1:09:16.000 AM kernel[0]: Kext loading now disabled.

    1/27/16 1:09:16.000 AM kernel[0]: Kext unloading now disabled.

    1/27/16 1:09:16.000 AM kernel[0]: Kext autounloading now disabled.

    1/27/16 1:09:16.000 AM kernel[0]: Kernel requests now disabled.

    1/27/16 1:09:16.998 AM shutdown[1051]: SHUTDOWN_TIME: 1453824556 998164

    1/27/16 1:09:16.000 AM kernel[0]: Process launchd [1] disabling system-wide I/O Throttling

    1/27/16 1:09:16.000 AM kernel[0]: Process launchd [1] disabling system-wide CPU Throttling

    1/27/16 1:09:17.003 AM com.apple.SecurityServer[80]: Killing auth hosts

    1/27/16 1:09:17.003 AM com.apple.SecurityServer[80]: Killing auth hosts

    1/27/16 1:09:17.003 AM com.apple.SecurityServer[80]: Killing auth hosts

    1/27/16 1:09:17.003 AM com.apple.SecurityServer[80]: Killing auth hosts

    1/27/16 1:09:17.003 AM com.apple.SecurityServer[80]: Killing auth hosts

    1/27/16 7:35:38.000 AM bootlog[0]: BOOT_TIME 1453847738 0

    1/27/16 7:36:11.000 AM syslogd[43]: Configuration Notice:

    ASL Module "com.apple.AccountPolicyHelper" claims selected messages.

    Those messages may not appear in standard system log files or in the ASL database.

     

    This last line repeats about 50 times and then the rest of the start up is, as you know, hundreds of lines.

     

    It's odd that the problems with the computer have already started since I just reinstalled. I did notice that there have been a lot of Raccoon and Keychain Access lines in Console. Online people suggested (to someone else) it could be an indication of someone trying to hack their system or malware. Right now I'm grasping at straws. Any ideas if any of this is connected to the crashing, or where I can look within my system for answers before it completely crashes?

  • by John Galt,

    John Galt John Galt Jan 26, 2016 7:53 PM in response to stevenfromyokohama
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    Jan 26, 2016 7:53 PM in response to stevenfromyokohama

    It's not clear if you isolated the problem to the fusion drive, or not. Given the symptoms you describe though, it appears a hardware fault is the cause of the crashes you are experiencing, and is not something you are likely to be able to fix on your own short of replacing parts.

     

    I did notice that there have been a lot of Raccoon and Keychain Access lines in Console. Online people suggested (to someone else) it could be an indication of someone trying to hack their system or malware.

     

    There is nothing unusual about log entries from Keychain Access, racoon, or any of the other entries in that excerpt. It can be assumed that others are trying to hack your system all the time though, to the extent that nefarious, curious, or merely bored people will do. Such attempts fail without proper authorization. If someone really did gain remote access to your Mac, you would not be aware of it — unless the intruders were particularly careless. That possibility is almost certain to be completely unrelated going on with your Mac, and is not one worth considering.