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Feb 18, 2016 7:07 AM in response to SunOfRa78by deggie,This fact has been covered in other writings which explains why it doesn't happen. Some have also suspected that not having it do it immediately is also a security method in itself.
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Feb 18, 2016 11:10 AM in response to Sathieskanthby R62,Report is that Apple is releasing a fix today to "unbrick" phones.
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Feb 18, 2016 11:44 AM in response to Sathieskanthby mendonipadrehab,Kudos to Apple for admitting that they simply made a mistake. That was the perfect response
No more error 53. Update via iTunes to solve.
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Feb 18, 2016 11:48 AM in response to Sathieskanthby mendonipadrehab,No more error 53. Update via iTunes to solve. Apple made a mistake and they admitted it. Well done, Apple!
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Feb 18, 2016 12:55 PM in response to mendonipadrehabby KiltedTim,There is nothing in that statement that could be equated to an admission that they 'made a mistake'. They are simply bending to pressure and allowing you to continue using the phone without the benefit of the advanced security they designed into it after you borked it.
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Feb 18, 2016 1:42 PM in response to KiltedTimby mendonipadrehab,Yout ability to shove the square peg of truth into the round hole of your reality is absolutruly astounding. I would be impressed if I wasn't laughing so hard.
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This test was designed to check whether Touch ID works properly before the device leaves the factory, and wasn’t intended to affect customers."
but it did affect customers. So therefore, was a mistake. It was a check to make sure that the original Touch ID worked. It was never a planned mechanism to prevent Future exploits of security vulnerabilities.
eeither Apple was lying in the original statement or they are lying now. take your pick.
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Feb 18, 2016 2:02 PM in response to Sathieskanthby SunOfRa78,Good on you Apple. This is great news for everyone. It's nice to see there is a heart still beating inside there somewhere.
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Feb 18, 2016 4:11 PM in response to mendonipadrehabby deggie,They weren't lying either time.
In the first statement they said it was related to the security enclave on the iPhone. It is. That is true.
In the second they did admit it was an error in the released version of the iOS version and they have corrected it. That is true. I do agree they admitted the release version of 9.2.1 was a mistake and they rectified the error. Tim is incorrect.
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Feb 20, 2016 5:45 AM in response to mendonipadrehabby TJBUSMC1973,mendonipadrehab wrote:
Yout ability to shove the square peg of truth into the round hole of your reality is absolutruly astounding. I would be impressed if I wasn't laughing so hard.
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This test was designed to check whether Touch ID works properly before the device leaves the factory, and wasn’t intended to affect customers."
but it did affect customers. So therefore, was a mistake. It was a check to make sure that the original Touch ID worked. It was never a planned mechanism to prevent Future exploits of security vulnerabilities.
eeither Apple was lying in the original statement or they are lying now. take your pick.
It wasn't intended to affect customers because Apple never intended for customers to allow unauthorized third-party service on their devices.
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Feb 20, 2016 11:42 AM in response to TJBUSMC1973by mendonipadrehab,When Apple has been paid in full for the phone, they don't get to tell me what I can and can't do with my property. I have the right to repair it as I see fit. When the device works after the repair, they don't get to destroy my property for any reason. Apple recognized that voluntarily, and would have been made to recognize it in a court of law.
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by Lawrence Finch,Feb 20, 2016 12:53 PM in response to mendonipadrehab
Lawrence Finch
Feb 20, 2016 12:53 PM
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and would have been made to recognize it in a court of law.
Five years from now, when it finally came to court. Any court action takes time, and class action suits take the longest. And in the end the only people to benefit are the lawyers who brought the case. And, based on the security issues, it isn't clear that the suit would win. So I sincerely doubt that the threat of a lawsuit is what motivated Apple; they get sued for one thing or another practically on a daily basis.
The simplest answer, which by Occam's Razor is the most likely, is that Apple made an honest mistake, and when they realized it they fixed it. Apple did not get to be the world's biggest company by being evil. And they didn't earn JD Power's highest customer satisfaction rating by screwing customers.
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Feb 20, 2016 1:07 PM in response to Lawrence Finchby mendonipadrehab,I Totally agree that it was an honest mistake. I think that their current statement is the unvarnished truth, and I'm proud of Apple for saying it. I said publicly many places that if they'd just said "sorry guys, we're human, we made a mistake" that the world would have forgiven them--and that is what they did.
Who knows what their motivations were for finally making this move, but it is clear that error 53 has been around for well over a year, and they were surely aware of it, and yet did nothing until a class action suit was filed, and initially tried to convince the world that error 53 was a security protection against tampering with the fingerprint sensor, which is clearly spin if error 53 was in fact a reasonable factory check for the presence of the functional sensor. I think an attempt was made to play the "it's for your protection" card which didn't fly with the world---since it was an excuse.
then they came clean, and made it right, and good on them for doing it Regsrdless of the motivation.
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Feb 20, 2016 1:21 PM in response to mendonipadrehabby Lawrence Finch,mendonipadrehab wrote:
I Totally agree that it was an honest mistake. I think that their current statement is the unvarnished truth, and I'm proud of Apple for saying it. I said publicly many places that if they'd just said "sorry guys, we're human, we made a mistake" that the world would have forgiven them--and that is what they did.
Who knows what their motivations were for finally making this move, but it is clear that error 53 has been around for well over a year, and they were surely aware of it, and yet did nothing until a class action suit was filed,
It's more likely that they did nothing until The Guardian wrote an article about it, which then spread to other media. As I said, Apple is not that concerned about lawsuits. And anyway, you cannot file a class action suit. You file a suit for one or a related group of individuals, then petition the court for class action status, which means that you have to prove that a large number of individuals have the identical issue. Such as 50 million defective airbags. I'm not sure that the number of error 53 cases would ever be large enough to qualify for class action. It is probably in the hundreds, or maybe even thousands, but it is a drop in the bucket of 900 million iPhones. It can take years before class action status is approved.
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Feb 20, 2016 1:44 PM in response to TJBUSMC1973by SunOfRa78,TJBUSMC1973 wrote:
It wasn't intended to affect customers because Apple never intended for customers to allow unauthorized third-party service on their devices.
Apple were well aware that there is a multi-billion dollar 3rd party repair industry. They were also well aware that people are free to have their personal property repaired by whomever they choose. Of course they knew customers would choose a third party repair option.
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Feb 20, 2016 2:24 PM in response to SunOfRa78by TJBUSMC1973,SunOfRa78 wrote:
TJBUSMC1973 wrote:
It wasn't intended to affect customers because Apple never intended for customers to allow unauthorized third-party service on their devices.
Apple were well aware that there is a multi-billion dollar 3rd party repair industry. They were also well aware that people are free to have their personal property repaired by whomever they choose. Of course they knew customers would choose a third party repair option.
We're talking about whether or not the statement of 'intent' is truthful or not.
Did Apple design the iPhone to be user-serviceable? No.
That's it. End of story. Trying to say Apple was 'lying' is disingenuous.