Jet787

Q: iPhoto library vs Photos library?!

Hi and tnxs for reading.

 

After having updated Mavericks and having Photos installed, I can see now in Pictures folder 2 different libraries: 1) iPhoto  Library.migratedphotolibrary and 2) Photos Library.photoslibrary.

 

I have a few questions about these:

1) How do I have to deal with these 2 libraries since they are both very big and I would like to free some space on my SSD? Can I delete iPhoto Library.migratedphotolibrary if I do not use iPhoto anymore?

2) In case I decide to keep a backup of it, will I be able to reuse iPhoto in the future by copying back that migratedphotolibrary in my mac Pictures folder?

3) I am wondering why I did not get any warning or message about the existence of 2 big libraries which are using almost 100GB each if one of the 2 could be deleted. In case I decided to uninstall iPhoto, would its migratedphotolibrary be deleted automatically? What is the way to uninstall it, just drag it to the trash as per the other software?

 

Many tnxs.

Regards.

MacBook Pro, OS X Yosemite (10.10)

Posted on Apr 28, 2015 11:27 AM

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  • by Terence Devlin,Solvedanswer

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Apr 28, 2015 12:01 PM in response to Jet787
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    Apr 28, 2015 12:01 PM in response to Jet787

    1) How do I have to deal with these 2 libraries since they are both very big and I would like to free some space on my SSD? Can I delete iPhoto Library.migratedphotolibrary if I do not use iPhoto anymore?

     

    Yes you can, but it won't get you any space back. While both apps report a library of - say - 100 gigs, it's the same 100 gigs. They are both managing the same set of photo files.

     

    2) In case I decide to keep a backup of it, will I be able to reuse iPhoto in the future by copying back that migratedphotolibrary in my mac Pictures folder?

     

    You won't have to copy it back, you can open it from wherever you put it, as long as it's a directly connected HD formatted Mac OS Extended (Journaled).

     

    3) I am wondering why I did not get any warning or message about the existence of 2 big libraries which are using almost 100GB each if one of the 2 could be deleted.

     

    See 1. above.

     

    In case I decided to uninstall iPhoto, would its migratedphotolibrary be deleted automatically?

     

    No, you need to delete both.

     

    What is the way to uninstall it, just drag it to the trash as per the other software?

     

    That's it.

  • by Jet787,

    Jet787 Jet787 May 1, 2015 2:05 AM in response to Terence Devlin
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    May 1, 2015 2:05 AM in response to Terence Devlin

    Thank you very much for your continuous help.

     

    Just to clarify:

     

    As regarding 1) and 2)

     

    a) if they are managing the same set of photos, why there are a few GB difference, like one is 100GB and the other is 103GB? Maybe the different way iPhoto and Photos are dealing with them?

    b) so your advice is to leave both libraries on my MacBook Pro?

    c) if I delete the iPhoto library, is there a way to go back to iPhoto by using Photoslibrary, since it is managing the same photos?

    d) I opened again iPhoto and now its library file extension is not migratephotolibrary anymore but iPhotolibrary again... is it normal? Can I continue to use Photos without problems?

     

    Many thanks.

     

    P.S.: I have other few doubts and questions about Photos and I am sure you could help me but I think I will create a new tread just to give the appropriate title...

  • by LarryHN,Helpful

    LarryHN LarryHN May 1, 2015 6:38 AM in response to Jet787
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    May 1, 2015 6:38 AM in response to Jet787

    a - because the database structures are different and the support files are different for iPhoto and Photos - hence a small size difference in the libraries

     

    b - yes - keep both especially since you state that you are not sure you like Photos - if you trash your iPhoto library then you can not go back

     

    c - no - see b

     

    d - yes - their libraries are totally separate except for starting with the same photos - changes made in one have no effect on the other one

     

    LN

  • by Jet787,

    Jet787 Jet787 May 5, 2015 4:35 AM in response to LarryHN
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    May 5, 2015 4:35 AM in response to LarryHN

    Tnxs.

    Could you please check thread Why some photo in Photos is linked to iPhoto only?! since as regarding Photos and iPhoto libraries I am experiencing some issues?! Apparently I cannot consolidate some photos which were not (?) automatically copied to Photos library during standard installation...

    Many tnxs.

  • by easer79,

    easer79 easer79 Jan 11, 2016 12:10 PM in response to Jet787
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    Jan 11, 2016 12:10 PM in response to Jet787

    I'm sorry if there's a thread already going on this but I'm trying to understand the difference between the iPhoto library and the photos library.  I just bought an external hard drive and I want to back up my pictures but I don't know which of these libraries I should back up or if I should back up both of them?  Can you help here?

  • by Terence Devlin,

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Jan 11, 2016 2:59 PM in response to easer79
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    Jan 11, 2016 2:59 PM in response to easer79

    Back up both.

     

    That said, the difference is simple:

     

    iPhoto makes changes only to the iPhoto Library.

     

    Photos makes changes only to the Photos Library.

     

    At some point in the future (or now...) you might decide that you no longer use iPhoto, and then you can delete that Library. Photos will be unaffected by this.

  • by Suave Ruse,

    Suave Ruse Suave Ruse Mar 3, 2016 2:20 PM in response to Terence Devlin
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    Mar 3, 2016 2:20 PM in response to Terence Devlin

    Hello Terence,

     

    I had the same question that Jet had. You're saying that Photos and iPhoto pull from the same photo folders? I did some digging around on my computer before I found this thread and saw that the same photos on either Application have a different file locations. I've included an example screen shot to show what I mean. They have the same file path with the exception of "iPhoto Library" vs "Photos Library".

     

    Also, if you check the "Username" > Photos folder size, it's ~48GB, while each Photos and iPhotos library is ~24GB each. Which leads me to believe that they are separate.

     

    Thanks, Joe

     

    Screen Shot 2016-03-03 at 5.00.13 PM.png

  • by Terence Devlin,

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Mar 3, 2016 2:58 PM in response to Suave Ruse
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    Mar 3, 2016 2:58 PM in response to Suave Ruse
    You're saying that Photos and iPhoto pull from the same photo folders?

     

    No, I'm not.

     

    Remember that things like folders and files are a metaphor for what's actually going on. They don't actually exist. On your HD there's a cluster of data that is your photo. Both apps point to that cluster of bytes. What you're seeing is how they designers represent that to you, that's all. So, they share the same original cluster of bytes, thereafter they are quite independent. So, if you delete the picture in iPhoto, the cluster of bytes remans, if you delete it in Photos, it remains, only if you delete it in both is it gone.

  • by Suave Ruse,

    Suave Ruse Suave Ruse Mar 3, 2016 3:09 PM in response to Terence Devlin
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    Mar 3, 2016 3:09 PM in response to Terence Devlin

    Okay thank you for the clarification. It just seemed strange to me that Finder would say the Photos folder size is equal to the sum of both Libraries. But I decided to try deleting the iPhoto Library (because I don't use that Application anymore anyway), and my total free space didn't change as you said it wouldn't.

  • by Old Toad,

    Old Toad Old Toad Mar 3, 2016 3:10 PM in response to Suave Ruse
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    Mar 3, 2016 3:10 PM in response to Suave Ruse

    The only files that get shared are those that were in the iPhoto library at the time of the initial migration.  If those files were imported later into iPhoto and Photos separately they won't be shared. 

     

    To test if the image is being shared follow what user léonie sent to me on how to do just that:

    If the masters in the migrated iPhoto library and the new Photos library are joined by a hard link, both files should have identical inode numbers in the file table, and that is indeed what I found, when I checked the indoor numbers for a few original files with "ls -li"

     

    The indoor numbers in the migrated iPhotolibrary and the photos library are identical.

     

     

    $ ls -li /Users/dreschle/Pictures/Photos\ Library\ Test2.photoslibrary/Masters/2012/07/19/20120719-153437/P1190028.JPG
    31358709 -rw-r--r--@ 2 dreschle  staff  2510146 Jul 19  2012 /Users/dreschle/Pictures/Photos Library Test2.photoslibrary/Masters/2012/07/19/20120719-153437/P1190028.JPG

     

     

    $ ls -li /Users/dreschle/Pictures/iPhoto\ Library\ Test2.migratedphotolibrary/Masters/2012/07/19/20120719-153437/P1190028.JPG
    31358709 -rw-r--r--@ 2 dreschle  staff  2510146 Jul 19  2012 /Users/dreschle/Pictures/iPhoto Library Test2.migratedphotolibrary/Masters/2012/07/19/20120719-153437/P1190028.JPG
    Hermione:~ dreschle$

     

    Open each library's package and located the same file in both their Masters folder. 

     

    Launch Terminal, enter "ls -li " and drag one of the files into the Terminal window followed by the Return or Enter key.

    That's ls space -li space 

    If both numbers as shown in red above are the same the two files are sharing the same data on the HD.

  • by hvvzwz,

    hvvzwz hvvzwz Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM in response to Jet787
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    Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM in response to Jet787

    i want com back my photo lost 2days ago

  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Mar 4, 2016 6:55 PM in response to hvvzwz
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    Mar 4, 2016 6:55 PM in response to hvvzwz

    If you have a question start a new thread and provide clear details of what you have, what is happening and what you want to know

     

    See

    Writing an effective Apple Support Communities question

     

    LN