WorldBuilder77

Q: NEW User - Keep Files Intact?

Hi all,

 

Windows 7 user here, and a lifelong user of the old Winamp players dating back well into the 90s.  Still use it to this day.  Other family members (wife, kids, etc) all use iTunes and I'm thinking about taking the plunge.  I have tried this before, but bailed because I just didn't like what it seemed to try to do.  I've amassed a lot of music over the years...

Music 3.JPG

There might be a few different types here and there, but by and large it's all mp3 format.  Now, what I struggle with is that I have spent years "curating" this.  Over the years, I have manually created a folder and file structure I want.  Examples:

Music 1.JPG

 

And...

Music 2.JPG

Then, for example, in the Winamp player, I have made sure to display it all in a way I like.  Example:

Music 4.JPG

Now, when I have attempted iTunes in the past, it seems to catalog everything in its own way.  Half of my music ended up in "Unknown" folders or "Unknown" albums, or whatever.  IMHO, I think iTunes is trying to be too smart for its own good (well, MY good).  I don't want it to think.  I just want it to display my music so I can play it.  I don't want it to mess with my filesystem.  Before I go installing it and trying this, can this be done?  Or if not, what steps do I need to take to manually move everything into iTunes, yet ensure that I can keep the structure I have?  I'll move things one folder at a time, checking and fixing as I go if I have to (but I'd prefer not).

 

Sorry if this all sounds silly.  The reason I ask all this is because, for example, on my wife's computer, she has duplicates of EVERYTHING in iTunes.  And I don't know why.  When I go into the filesystem, I see the files themselves, but then there also seem to be duplicates of them as well, although they're not the typical mp3 files.  And this is not the first time I've seen such things.  I don't like it when applications take control of the actual DATA out of the user's hands.  I am the Director of Technology for a small town and know how to work with data.  So this is what concerns me; not having control of it all myself.  I just don't trust iTunes to get it right; certainly not "my way".

 

Thanks, all.

 

CB

 

PS.  I don't know if this matters or not, but there's virtually no chance of me ever using the store to purchase music.  On the rare occasion I have new music to add, I would do it manually by copying an mp3, m4a, or whatever, into the Music folder in my desired location.

Windows 7

Posted on Mar 24, 2016 6:29 AM

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  • by Limnos,

    Limnos Limnos Mar 24, 2016 7:14 AM in response to WorldBuilder77
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    Mar 24, 2016 7:14 AM in response to WorldBuilder77

    You will have to manually manage your music which has certain disadvantages but will keep your structure. Go to iTunes > Preferences > advanced and one of the options will be checked to have iTunes organize your media. De-select this.  You may also wish to uncheck having iTunes place a copy of files in media folder when adding files.

     

    I use iTunes on a Mac and as long as the files are kept on the same drive as the rest of the library files (in the iTunes folder) the the application is good at keeping track of them. I recall a PC user saying this was not the case with Windows but you will just have to check as you go.  Bear in mind that neither system has a way for iTunes to easily track files moved between drives unless you are moving entire libraries across.

  • by WorldBuilder77,

    WorldBuilder77 WorldBuilder77 Mar 24, 2016 7:46 AM in response to Limnos
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    Mar 24, 2016 7:46 AM in response to Limnos

    Thanks Limnos,

     

    That is helpful.  OK...  What IF I were going to allow iTunes to manage it all.  I add folders one at a time...  Things are going well...  Suddenly, something is unknown.  How do I fix?  Not just in the display of the application, but the actual folder/filestructure.  Example...

     

    Folder called "The_Script" with a single mp3 titled "Hall Of Fame".  I throw it (folder containing the file) into the Automatically Add to iTunes folder and it does, but into that void known as "Unknown" this or that.  Is there a way to fix it through iTunes in a way that then moves the file itself into an intelligent folder in the file system?

     

    Hope that makes sense...

  • by Limnos,

    Limnos Limnos Mar 24, 2016 7:51 AM in response to WorldBuilder77
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    Mar 24, 2016 7:51 AM in response to WorldBuilder77

    My understanding is if an album was previous labeled "unknown" and you give it a name in the iTunes window the file will be moved to a folder in albums with the new name. I have been manually managing my media myself for 15+ years so you'll excuse me if I don't change that setting and try just to see what happens.

  • by ed2345,

    ed2345 ed2345 Mar 24, 2016 10:22 AM in response to WorldBuilder77
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    Mar 24, 2016 10:22 AM in response to WorldBuilder77

     

    Folder called "The_Script" with a single mp3 titled "Hall Of Fame".  I throw it (folder containing the file) into the Automatically Add to iTunes folder and it does, but into that void

    Yikes!  To achieve what you want to do, you must not use the Automatically Add folder.  It will immediately whisk the file to the iTunes-preferred structure, messing up the structure you have spent years curating.

     

    As Limnos suggests, go to Preferences > Advanced and make sure that "Keep..." and "Copy..." are both turned off.  Then any files/folders you add to iTunes will stay where they are.  And when you add them, do so via File > Add File/Folder to Library, so that Automatically Add will not have its evil chance to auto-magically rearrange them.

  • by turingtest2,

    turingtest2 turingtest2 Mar 24, 2016 10:43 AM in response to WorldBuilder77
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    Mar 24, 2016 10:43 AM in response to WorldBuilder77

    Take a look at Getting iTunes & Windows Media Player to play nicely. The same general rules apply for Winamp. If you can set out your media the way you want it but inside the iTunes Media folder, ideally with music inside iTunes Media\Music, then you can set up iTunes so it doesn't move things around and your library will be able to carry on working as and when you need to move it to a new drive or computer.

     

    tt2

  • by hhgttg27,

    hhgttg27 hhgttg27 Mar 24, 2016 10:47 AM in response to WorldBuilder77
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    Mar 24, 2016 10:47 AM in response to WorldBuilder77

    Following up Limnos's and Ed's comments ... while you can retain your own file and folder structure, it actually takes both more work and more understanding of how iTunes functions to do so.  First, even with the "Copy files ..." option turned off this only applies to two of the ways you can add media to iTunes.  The interaction of the "Copy files ..." setting and different addition methods is as follow:

    iTunes Locations for new media.jpg

    So if you want to retain your own structure you are limited to the last two methods.  CD imports, iTunes Store purchases, and use of the Automatically Add to iTunes folder (which is used by some 3rd party applications such as Amazon Music) will always place media in the standard iTunes folder structure.

     

    Second, as you've observed when noting that some of your media is shown in iTunes as "Unknown Artist" / "Unknown Album", iTunes is metadata-driven and uses the values of properties or "tags" within media files to populate its database when you add new songs to your library - it does not make use of any information derived from file or folder names.  Steve MacGuire (aka turingtest2) maintains a page of useful iTunes scripts for Windows that includes several that can be used or adapted to derive metadata from file or folder names.

     

    However, you need to recognize that to maintain your own folder structure, file names, etc. involves fighting against iTunes rather than working with it.  If you're prepared to take the leap and allow iTunes to manage your media files for you I believe that you'll find this both easier and more flexible.  One quick example of the latter taken from one of your screenshots: its easy in iTunes to have "Marvin Gaye" as an Artist value but to have "Gaye, Marvin" as the associated Sort Artist value - something you'll never be able to do with an external file/folder naming scheme.

  • by WorldBuilder77,

    WorldBuilder77 WorldBuilder77 Mar 24, 2016 6:14 PM in response to hhgttg27
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    Mar 24, 2016 6:14 PM in response to hhgttg27

    Thanks, all.  I've been playing.  Gimme a few days to come up with some info, screenshots, and a lot more questions.  I'll post back in great detail soon. 

  • by Chris CA,

    Chris CA Chris CA Mar 24, 2016 6:36 PM in response to WorldBuilder77
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    Mar 24, 2016 6:36 PM in response to WorldBuilder77

    Think of it this way...

    All your system files are managed by the OS.

    You don’t care where they are. The OS does everything.

     

    iTunes is a database.

    When you use a database, it’s to help you manage data/info.

    You don’t worry about where all the individual bits are, The database takes care of it. Same as the OS.

    That’s why you use a database.